3AngelsMom
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Kathryn,
Don't you want to show us the Athanasian one?

Don't you want to show us the Athanasian one?
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Kelly, are you saying that you believe that Jesus's Spirit died, as well as His flesh, at the crucifixion?Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
And I would disagree that they believe in the death of Christ They don't believe that He really died. They believe that His 'human' part died, but that 'God the Son' didn't die.
They don't believe He died.
You know you can edit your posts, right? </font>[/QUOTE]Sure...as long as it's within 15 minutes of the original post. Anything after 15 minutes of your post you cannot edit it anymore.Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brother Adam:
That was a quote of Kelly's earlier post, btw, Catholics believe Christ died on the cross.
Nothing about the belief Jesus Christ is true God and true man, belief in the Trinity, belief in the incarnation, belief He was born of a virgin, etc. ?????? According to this “faith alone” is enough. Many who believe themselves to be saved, don’t even know who Jesus Christ really is…. Of course this is a harder sell telling someone that they need to believe Jesus Christ is really the Son of the Living God, the second person of the Trinity, born of a virgin. Faith is accepting the whole thing….. and everything Jesus Christ taught and passed on to His Church. This is what St. Thomas believed, when he said, “My Lord, and my God”. Thomas then believed everything Jesus had taught because he saw with his own eyes, what Jesus taught was all true. We like Thomas are to believe it all, and like Jesus says we are blessed because we believe it all, and have not seen. Jesus did not tell Thomas not to call Him God. Jesus accepted the title of God.Now, if you will trust Jesus Christ as your Saviour, pray this simple prayer from your heart:
Dear Lord Jesus, I know I am a sinner, and I deserve to pay my own sin debt, but I do believe that You died for me to pay the debt that I owe. Today, the best I know how, I trust You as my Saviour. I will depend on You from this moment on for my salvation. Amen.
They don't believe that He really died. They believe that His 'human' part died, but that 'God the Son' didn't die.Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brother Adam:
And I would disagree that they believe in the death of Christ
They don't believe that He really died. They believe that His 'human' part died, but that 'God the Son' didn't die.Originally posted by NewReformation:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brother Adam:
And I would disagree that they believe in the death of Christ
Yeah, THAT'S a LIE if I ever saw one.Originally posted by DHK:
She doesn't believe Christ actually died
Yeah, THAT'S a LIE if I ever saw one.Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DHK:
She doesn't believe Christ actually died
It is interesting what proof text she uses in defense of this.Can God the Father die?
No. This is impossible. He cannot die under any circumstances. He cannot be made into a mortal being.
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1 Timothy 6:16)
It is interesting what proof text she uses in defense of this.Originally posted by DHK:
1Timothy 6:14-16
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Who is verse 16 speaking of? The word "Who" refers right back to "King of Kings and Lord of lords," which in turn refers right back to "the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ" The entirety of verse 16 is speaking of our Lord Jesus Christ. This should be obvious to even the most casual of readers. Here is a quote taken from Kelly's own website at:
http://www.smyrna.org/
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Can God the Father die?
No. This is impossible. He cannot die under any circumstances. He cannot be made into a mortal being.
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1 Timothy 6:16)
Kelly, are you saying that you believe that Jesus's Spirit died, as well as His flesh, at the crucifixion?Originally posted by trying2understand:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 3AngelsMom:
And I would disagree that they believe in the death of Christ They don't believe that He really died. They believe that His 'human' part died, but that 'God the Son' didn't die.
They don't believe He died.
Well, that wasn't my intention with my post, but now that you mention it, the Athanasian Creed does have MUCH more to say than the first 2. All I was saying was that if she was going to post the first 2 why not post the last one!Originally posted by Carson Weber:
Don't you want to show us the Athanasian one?
Kelly, are you making the accusation that the Athanasian creed intended to change the teaching of the Church universal that Christ died for our salvation?
Okay, if you insist.Athanasian Creed
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.
31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.
32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.
35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.
36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;
38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;
39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;
40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
42. and shall give account of their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.