Why are some posters consumed with politics

[Gold Dragon]

That would be Obama, not Trump.

The psychiatrist who wrote this article literally wrote the book on narcissistic personality disorder.

STAT: I'm an expert on diagnosing mental illness. Trump doesn’t meet the criteria

Confusing Trump’s behavior with mental illness unfairly stigmatizes those who are truly mentally ill, underestimates his considerable cunning, and misdirects our efforts at future harm reduction. And the three most frequent armchair diagnoses made for Trump — narcissistic personality disorder, delusional disorder, and dementia — are all badly misinformed.

Trump is an undisputed poster boy for narcissism. He demonstrates in pure form every single symptom described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) criteria for narcissistic personality disorder, which I wrote in 1978. But lots of successful people are extremely narcissistic without being mentally ill.

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Allen Frances, M.D., was chair of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Duke University and also chaired the task force responsible for revising the fourth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Someone who is a narcissist could have one or all of the symptoms associated with the disorder. But to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, their symptoms need to cause some kind of functional impairment. I agree with the view that Trump does not have this disorder.

 

[JonC]

The psychiatrist who wrote this article literally wrote the book on narcissistic personality disorder.

STAT: I'm an expert on diagnosing mental illness. Trump doesn’t meet the criteria



Someone who is a narcissist could have one or all of the symptoms associated with the disorder. But to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, their symptoms need to cause some kind of functional impairment. I agree with the view that Trump does not have this disorder.

The difference between narcissism and Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).


https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/the-narcissist-versus-the-narcissistic-personality-disorder/

 

[Gold Dragon]

The difference between narcissism and Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).

https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/the-narcissist-versus-the-narcissistic-personality-disorder/

Yes that is decent explanation. You will find that in almost all definitions of psychiatric disorders, functional impairment is a major criteria that determines whether something is a psychiatric disorder or not. You will also find that my view is pretty much the same as yours on this topic, in case you were unsure.

Most if not all the world's most notorious autocrats in history meet all the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder except for the functional impairment criteria.

I think this article explains the subtlety and why certain public figures do not meet the full criteria for NPD despite very clearly displaying all the narcissitic traits.

The High-Functioning Narcissist

 

[carpro]

Not at all, at least not to my way of thinking.

Honestly,
I'm not consumed by these things one bit.


You also have the right to disagree, and I respect that.

Yet, here you are accusing others of being "consumed" by things I suppose you are immune to. Do you like it on that pedestal you have fashioned for yourself?

So, I have good reason to disagree. Hypocrites always need to be called out.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My mom just died from ovarian cancer. I have a brother who had all 3 children die. My other brother and his wife have died. My dad died from pancreatic cancer. Do you have a point?

I am sorry to hear about your losses.

 

[AustinC]

I am sorry to hear about your losses.

Corrie Ten Boom's words are true. God teaches us to hold things lightly. All my family are redeemed. I take great solace in God's gracious, unmerited favor.

 

[JonC]

Yes that is decent explanation. You will find that in almost all definitions of psychiatric disorders, functional impairment is a major criteria that determines whether something is a psychiatric disorder or not. You will also find that my view is pretty much the same as yours on this topic, in case you were unsure.

Most if not all the world's most notorious autocrats in history meet all the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder except for the functional impairment criteria.

I think this article explains the subtlety and why certain public figures do not meet the full criteria for NPD despite very clearly displaying all the narcissitic traits.

The High-Functioning Narcissist

Yep. I almost mentioned that a disorder is often a trait that causes disfunction. Back in the 90's I worked on a psych ward at Walter Reed, and that was pretty much how we explained it to patients with personality disorders. One can have obsessive compulsive traits even to the extent it is noticeable, but once it interferes with their lives it is a disorder.

I was surprised about NPD in that I did not realize it was narcissism covering insecurity. I initially assumed it was narcissism magnified to the point it became an impairment. I guess I never considered narcissism to be a disorder.

I suspect narcissism as a trait is what drives (in a positive way) many public and business leaders. You have to have some type of unusual drive to rise to many of these positions. And in business, you have to be able to fail in proportion to your success without that crushing your ego. That is why I say Trump has a huge ego (and is a narcissist (not as a disorder, but as what has allowed him to be so successful in business and in politics).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes that is decent explanation. You will find that in almost all definitions of psychiatric disorders, functional impairment is a major criteria that determines whether something is a psychiatric disorder or not. You will also find that my view is pretty much the same as yours on this topic, in case you were unsure.

Most if not all the world's most notorious autocrats in history meet all the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder except for the functional impairment criteria.

I think this article explains the subtlety and why certain public figures do not meet the full criteria for NPD despite very clearly displaying all the narcissitic traits.

The High-Functioning Narcissist

Psychobabble

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yep. I almost mentioned that a disorder is often a trait that causes disfunction. Back in the 90's I worked on a psych ward at Walter Reed, and that was pretty much how we explained it to patients with personality disorders. One can have obsessive compulsive traits even to the extent it is noticeable, but once it interferes with their lives it is a disorder.

I was surprised about NPD in that I did not realize it was narcissism covering insecurity. I initially assumed it was narcissism magnified to the point it became an impairment. I guess I never considered narcissism to be a disorder.

I suspect narcissism as a trait is what drives (in a positive way) many public and business leaders. You have to have some type of unusual drive to rise to many of these positions. And in business, you have to be able to fail in proportion to your success without that crushing your ego. That is why I say Trump has a huge ego (and is a narcissist (not as a disorder, but as what has allowed him to be so successful in business and in politics).

You seriously believe he is successful?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yet, here you are accusing others of being "consumed" by things I suppose you are immune to. Do you like it on that pedestal you have fashioned for yourself?

So, I have good reason to disagree. Hypocrites always need to be called out.

Oh so you aren’t one yourself?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Corrie Ten Boom's words are true. God teaches us to hold things lightly. All my family are redeemed. I take great solace in God's gracious, unmerited favor.

If you are a believer, then that’s good

 

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[JonC]

You seriously believe he is successful?

Yes. But the more important question is if he believes he is successful

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes. But the more important question is if he believes he is successful

Hard to tell with a narcissist but deep down in his gut he has to know he is an abject failure...and I’m not saying that to be hurtful, rather realistic. Well he had his run.

 

[JonC]

Hard to tell with a narcissist but deep down in his gut he has to know he is an abject failure...and I’m not saying that to be hurtful, rather realistic. Well he had his run.

I doubt it. He did implement good policies. He did upset the status quo. The only thing that went bad was COVD and his mouth.

 

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