canadyjd
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Yes, by those 6 not voting for anyone by name, it lowered the total number of votes needed from 218 to 215. KMac got 216.
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Why are the House Republicans such a mess?
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So they abstained for principle (they didn't want KM). I can appreciate that.
At least it ended before the GOP had to turn to the Democrats.
Or is it that some 200 R's do not properly represent the GOP
I doubt it. The 200 represent the Republicans who voted for them.
With time political parties change because politics change (and politics is all about compromise).
The RINOs seem to be the more conservative while the Republicans seem to represent the establishment (the status quo).
Political parties are defined by the majority view.
So lets say we have a Baptist church -
over the years - the votes that sprinkling is acceptable - that there should not be a pastor, that with a major sin, you would loose your salvation.
So those 5 older members who disagree with the new doctrine of the still Baptist church - would you call them BINO?
No. They would still be Baptist as would the majority.
But the minority would not define the church.
There is a reason many used to say they didn't leave the Democrat Party but the Democrat Party left them.
Now, perhaps the Republican Party extends to those minorities. The flaw I am pointing out is calling the majority of the GOP "RINOs".
RighteousnessTemperance&
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The OP, especially the title, displays basic ignorance of US politics.
People have long been seeking change in the Republican Party, because too many Reps have not really pushed its agenda as they should, as they said they would.
The reason Trump was so popular was because he indicated that he would take the heat and lead the way. Then it became ultra clear just how RINO many of the party members were.
But regardless of Trump, there are those in the party who are prepared to push for that Rep agenda. This was their moment in the House.
By refusing to vote lockstep, but instead insist on concessions that might allow them a real voice in the House, perhaps they will be able to do some good.
In any case, they stood for what they believed in when they had the opportunity.
Of course, their enemies will malign them, and the ignorant and gullible will believe the lies and deception of both Dems and RINOs.
You missed the point
Those who now accept sprinkling, no pastor and no eternal security - now represent 85% of that particulal church
I'd say, then, that the 85% establish the doctrine of the church.
Bingo. Ain't nuthin new goin on here...
Correct - the name of the church may still be baptist but their doctrine does not hold up to Baptist belief. So if those 5 old members still hold to true baptist belles - they are NOT BINO - actually the majority of the church is BINO
This depends on if the denomination has changed it's bylaws. If the denomination aligns with the majority, that means the 5 are no longer following the Baptist mandates as stated by the denominations bylaws.
Look at the Republicans platform and see who is following the present platform, not old platforms from years gone by.
Having said this, the church is bound by God's word. The Republican Party is bound by its ever changing platform. It is like comparing apples to oranges.
So asking the BB to enlighten us on the embarrassing 15 votes to pick a speaker of the house was wrong?
Those changes wouldn't make them non-Baptists (unless by sprinkling you mean infant baptism).
The issue is that the Republican Party is not defined by distinctives like "baptist". The GOP is a political party. It is defined by those making up the party.
The Republican Party was started to stop the expansion of slavery while permitting slavery to exist in Southern states and to encourage economic and social modernization (a progressive transition from traditional to a modern society).
But the GOP is defined by its members.
The RINOs are the ones claiming that their minority view (which I agree with, BTW) is the Republican view and calling most Republicans "RINOs".
The Republican Party you and I supported decades ago is not the Republican Party today.
The 200+ should be embarresed for not standing up for major platforms items.
So which of the 7 items should those 15 congressmen have compromised on?
What issues did they stand firm on?
1. investigation into the FBI.
2. getting a vote on a border security plan,
3. a budget that doesn’t allow the debt ceiling to increase,
4. an end to all COVID mandates
5. funding, a term limit vote,
6. single subject bills,
7. allowing at least 72 hours given for members to read bills.
I for one - am glad they stood up for important legislation!
The problem with the platform of the 5 is it goes against how Congress (GOP and DNC) works.
Most of the power in Congress is comprised of career politicians who would not be there if there were term limits.
And most of the politicians get things for their state through "fluff" hidden in bills.
I agree with the 5....except for term limits.
Until recently I wanted term limits, but after thinking about it I figure if the people represented want a particular politician then why place limits.
Most of the power in Congress is comprised of career politicians who would not be there if there were term limits.
And most of the politicians get things for their state through "fluff" hidden in bills.
I agree with the 5....except for term limits.
Until recently I wanted term limits, but after thinking about it I figure if the people represented want a particular politician then why place limits.
RighteousnessTemperance&
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