Why are the House Republicans such a mess?

[AustinC]

The OP wording is clearly biased, and displays ignorance of history. This would be a grand opportunity to dig into the matter and see what American politics was designed to be (and what it really is), if the interest is really there.

As for an honest request, these posts of yours sound more like silly pleas for someone to do the thinking for you. Really, it doesn’t work that way.

Well, in a way it does, which is why so many do stupid things, e.g., vote Dem Progressive Left, join/excuse BLM/Antifa “peaceful protests,” imagine “wokeness” is intelligent, approve the LGBTQ agenda, fail to see abortion is murder, etc.

The depth of your comment cannot be measured. However, you will never be accused of being unbiased.

 

[JonC]

To say Cheney supported those not wanting KMac is just nonsense.

First Cheney is no longer in congress. She was fired. She represented the elite donor class that wanted the status quo.

Looks like the OP isn’t the only one not paying attention to politics.

peace to you

I didn't say she was in Congress. She was not fired. She was not reelected.

You didn't read my post carefully.

And she did support those not wanting KM. She said "“[h]e’s been completely unfaithful to the Constitution, and demonstrated a total lack of understanding of the significance and the importance of the role of speaker,”.

Trump, OTOH, supported KM. Trump is also no longer in office (you'd say he was "fired").

I do not vote, yet apparently I am more up to date than many who do vote. That is scary.

 

[canadyjd]

I didn't say she was in Congress. She was not fired. She was not reelected.

You didn't read my post carefully.

And she did support those not wanting KM. She said "“[h]e’s been completely unfaithful to the Constitution, and demonstrated a total lack of understanding of the significance and the importance of the role of speaker,”.

Trump, OTOH, supported KM. Trump is also no longer in office (you'd say he was "fired").

I do not vote, yet apparently I am more up to date than many who do vote. That is scary.

Cheney being opposed to KMac does not mean she supports those who held up the speakership.

She has become the token “conservative” whose sole job is to bash repubs.

She was fired when she lost her primary. She had the job. She was trying to keep the job. The voters said no, and gave her job to someone else. She was fired.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Cheney being opposed to KMac does not mean she supports those who held up the speakership.

She has become the token “conservative” whose sole job is to bash repubs.

She was fired when she lost her primary. She had the job. She was trying to keep the job. The voters said no, and gave her job to someone else. She was fired.

peace to you

You are reading into my post.

I don't mean she supports then in whole (heck, they don't all support one another).

I mean she opposed KM for many of the same reasons.

And she wasn't "fired" any more than Trump was fired (or will be again if he runs but doesn't get the GOP spot).

If she was fired then she wouldn't have ran (she would have left before her term ended).

Did she leave before the end of her term?

She is, IMHO, too moderate. All who supported KM are too moderate (including Trump).

But that's where the GOP is at this time.

It would be nice to see a new party come out of the GOP...something akin to the tea party.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The depth of your comment cannot be measured. However, you will never be accused of being unbiased.

The problem is the utterly ignorant bias while posting with one’s fingers in his ears. It makes your resultant posts seem less than honest, and they don’t seem to be getting any better, or have any chance of doing so.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The depth of your comment cannot be measured. However, you will never be accused of being unbiased.

OK, now try this one. An uninformed opinion is an oxymoron.

Listening to what someone has to say about something should not be the same thing as believing everything he says about it. One should weigh what is being said by several different sources, even consider what is not being said, etc., and thereby develop an informed opinion.

If you imagine that I believe everything a source, especially a pundit or politician, is saying, then your imagination deceives you. The purpose of posting a clip, an excerpt, etc., is not so others do the thinking for you, but to give you something to think about.

 

[canadyjd]

You are reading into my post.

I don't mean she supports then in whole (heck, they don't all support one another).

I mean she opposed KM for many of the same reasons.

And she wasn't "fired" any more than Trump was fired (or will be again if he runs but doesn't get the GOP spot).

If she was fired then she wouldn't have ran (she would have left before her term ended).

Did she leave before the end of her term?

She is, IMHO, too moderate. All who supported KM are too moderate (including Trump).

But that's where the GOP is at this time.

It would be nice to see a new party come out of the GOP...something akin to the tea party.

JonC, you occasionally make very good points about a variety of subjects and I respect that. But….. you have a tendency to argue for the sake of arguing.

It is common throughout this country to speak of voters firing politicians at the ballot box. I really just don’t understand your point about Cheney. She is a liar. She manipulated information during the j6 hearings in order to “get Trump” at all costs.

I understand in her mind she may have really believed she was saving the country, or democracy, or whatever delusion she convinced herself of. Maybe you feel that way as well, I don’t know.

When politicians, or even a sizable portion of the population believe it’s ok to lie and manipulate in their official positions of power for the so called “greater good”, then the country is in danger of destabilizing into anarchy.

Cheney and the Dems did everything they
accused Trump of… including collusion with Russia and spreading misinformation. The difference was they did it in their official capacity of conducting an investigation into a very serious breach of security at the capitol.

By demonstrating obvious bias they undermined the entirety of their conclusions, and she paid a political price and rightly so.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

JonC, you occasionally make very good points about a variety of subjects and I respect that. But….. you have a tendency to argue for the sake of arguing.

It is common throughout this country to speak of voters firing politicians at the ballot box. I really just don’t understand your point about Cheney. She is a liar. She manipulated information during the j6 hearings in order to “get Trump” at all costs.

I understand in her mind she may have really believed she was saving the country, or democracy, or whatever delusion she convinced herself of. Maybe you feel that way as well, I don’t know.

When politicians, or even a sizable portion of the population believe it’s ok to lie and manipulate in their official positions of power for the so called “greater good”, then the country is in danger of destabilizing into anarchy.

Cheney and the Dems did everything they
accused Trump of… including collusion with Russia and spreading misinformation. The difference was they did it in their official capacity of conducting an investigation into a very serious breach of security at the capitol.

By demonstrating obvious bias they undermined the entirety of their conclusions, and she paid a political price and rightly so.

peace to you

I want to be clear that I don't like or trust Cheney. I don't want to be misunderstood to say otherwise.

Politicians lie. They lie for political gain. This is an unfortunate reality of our political system. Trump lied (I liked Trump when he was President and stood against the establishment...not so much with his support for KM, i.e , being a politician). Biden lied. Cheney lied. Hillary Clinton lied (and should be in jail). The only politician I rely like is Dan Crenshaw.

All I was trying to communicate was that Cheney was anti-Trump and anti-Mccarthy. She agreed with the Representatives that refused to vote for KM (about KM).

Our political system is broken. It's all about self-interest and political power when it should be about our nation.

I know we use the term "fired" when politicians ate not reelected. But typically we only use that when they are politicians we do not like. IMHO it is a poor use of the word.

And yes, I like to argue for the sake of arguing. (Actually, that's how I think through some issues as well).