Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

You are defeated because you haven't proven Gentiles are elect.
MB

 

You deny basic Bible doctrines. That's a fact. You have shown that by your many posts in this thread. You shy away from the Word of God like it's Kryptonite.

 

Not true at all I am a believer in God's word not your mumbo jumbo Gnosticism you preach.
MB

 

If you are a believer you are elect. If you are not a believer you are not elect. It's as simple as that.

Don't scissor out portions of God's Word that ought to be a comfort to believers.

 

Have you taken Romans 8:31-39 to heart? Or do you think that doesn't apply to you?

 

Why yes I have have you?

 

I'm simply saved and I still do not and will not believe the Calvinist doctrine.
MB

 

Of course. I believe and trust in those comforting and encouraging words that nothing will separate us (the elect) from the love of God. Who will bring any charge against God's elect ones? No one. God intercedes for us (the elect --no one else).

The predestined, called, justified and glorified are all of the same group --the elect.

 

Context helps but why would I expect a Calvinist to understand that

When you look at the context {Joh_17:1-26} you find that the Calvinist use of Joh_17:9 as a proof-text fails.
Proof-texting is the bane of good theology.

Jesus is praying for the disciples in Joh_17:9-19 but we see that Jesus includes ALL that will believe through their preaching. "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;.." Joh_17:20. Jesus then continues in His prayer to indicate the extent of the gospels reach "...that the world may believe that You sent Me" Joh_17:21.

 

MP, do you believe the Scripture when it says that it is God who mercies whom He chooses to grant mercy and He hardens those whom He chooses to harden?

 

Don't neglect verse 9 of this famous chapter.

"I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours."

 

Calvinistic doctrine is the whole counsel of the Word of God, so you would be in a world of trouble not to believe it.

 

No just saying what your theology requires. I really cannot help it if you do not even know what your trusting in. Perhaps you should do a bit more study.

 

According to the Calvinist view of God sovereignty He has to control all things. But it seems in this case you do not know what all things means. It seems your lack of ability to understand your own texts is your main problem aside from the fact you actually believe those texts.

 

Reformed I think you are finally getting it.
>>What you see is them preaching repentance. And following God.<<
So you understand that repentance comes before salvation. And no one would repent if they do not believe now would they? So Faith comes before salvation.

>>That is the gospel that salvation is available to those who believe. Those who believe are the elect.<<
And I agree salvation is indeed available to all and all that believe will be saved and they are called the elect.

>>Therefore, it is not a fraudulent gospel. It is fact to say that those who believe will be saved. Because those who believe are elected<<

See I knew that if you trusted the scriptures you would come to understand the truth.

 

You really need to understand what context means. It will help you understand scripture.

 

So you have to be saved before you can believe. That is not even close to being biblical but it sure is Calvinistic.

 

>>Faith is the gift God gives upon saving us<< Well no wonder you have such a mixed up view of salvation. You think God saves you before you believe. You really need to study the bible more or at least learn to read it without your calvinist glasses on.

 

That's fascinating statement you posted. He actually believes those texts, as do all Christians. How could it be otherwise? Don't you believe those texts?

 

That's strange, if Christ Jesus didn't die to save unbelievers then who did He die for? And before you say for the elect then you have to explain how the elect were not unbelievers. Your theology has way to many holes in it.