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Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Oct 21, 2021.

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  1. MB

    MB Well-Known Member

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    Neither of those verses support your false accusation All you need to do is prove Gentiles
    can be elect
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    The word 'neither' deals with two items, people etc. I gave you three snips of verses. All three deal with election. The first two are written to Gentile believers. In the Second Peter reference most were likely Gentiles.

    I asked if you are a Gentile. Anyone who is not a Jew is a Gentile. It's a simple thing to answer. You are either a Jew or a Gentile. If you are a Gentile and a believer in Christ Jesus you are of God's elect. It's rather elementary MB.

    Now engage in what I have said and asked. If you don't, I will know that you are squirming to escape from the obvious.
     
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    But Jesus told the Pharisees He did not die for them in John 10. And God hardened their hearts so they could not believe. All men to a first-century Jew = Gentiles too.
     
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    I noticed you didn't mention which verse in Jn 10
     
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    You are absolutely wrong about Jn 10 you're just trying to place words in John and Paul's mouth.
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    Here are some more snippets for your consideration. This time I will quote from the KJV :

    1 Peter 1:2 "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father."
    Romans 8:33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?"
    Romans 9:11 "...that the purpose of God according to election might stand."
     
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    I would never squirm because of something you said. There are no elect Gentiles in scripture. There is no verse that says directly Gentiles have been elected. Your argument is with out truth. You have not presented proof just your opinion You are not elect. You have falsely assumed you are. So prove you are elect.
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    All saved gentiles are the elect of God, as none ever were saved who were not elected out beforehand by the will of the father!
     
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    Paul would disagree with you, and his disagrees with most of your theology!
     
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    Proved in Romans!
     
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    Besides Peter was a apostle to the Jews not Gentiles.
    Jews have spread all over the world. You are assuming again. Jews can be strangers too. You still have no proof. Now squirm to find proof
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    Elect in Christ only are the saved of God!
     
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    All true believers in Christ are elect of God. We are his beloved, His sheep, His Body, His Church --and so many more terms signifying the same thing.

    Have you made your calling and election sure MB?

    "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." (Romans 8:28-30)
     
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    The elect are from among all tribes, nations, peoples and languages.

    And I told you before that Paul was sent to minister the Gospel to the Gentiles. He called them elect. Do not deny Scripture MB.
     
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    A most baffling question for Universalists. If in Hebrews 6 apostates cannot repent unless Christ undergoes crucifixion all over again to include them, how could he have already died for them making this necessary?
     
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    Paul was also a Jew who wanted Jews to be saved it was his custom to preach in the synagogues to Jews as well as gentiles Paul called the Jews elect present at his teachings. You make all kinds of claims and yet have no proof. You think you'll change my mind but you can't do that with false doctrines.
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    His Theology seems to be in places quite aberrant!
     
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    MB, I have cited Scripture after Scripture to prove that the elect are from among all classes of people --not just from among the Jews. Your problem isn't with me but the Bible itself. You disbelieve major doctrines.
     
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    Christ only died once and those saved are saved and will live eternally. Once saved always saved you cannot loose your Salvation. Everyone who sins falls away in that moment but the moment they confess there sin they are forgiven. It was called dying daily by Paul IOW's we have to die to our own sins after Salvation. Not to mention we have an advocate in Christ, There is no man with out sin.
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    There is nothing major about false doctrines they are man made and are not the doctrine of Christ.
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