Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

[MB]

Are you a Gentile? If you are not a Jew, you are a Gentile. Are you a believer? If you have answered yes to both questions then you are one of the elect of God.

Paul ministered to Gentiles. He said this in 2 Tim. 2:10 "I endure everything for the sake of the elect."
Titus 1:1 "To God's elect."
2 Peter 1:10 "Make every effort to confirm your calling and election."

Peter was writing to Christians living in the northern part of Asia Minor.

If you deny election, you are saying you don't believe God's Word. That's a dangerous spot to be in.

Neither of those verses support your false accusation All you need to do is prove Gentiles
can be elect
MBt

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Neither of those verses support your false accusation All you need to do is prove Gentiles
can be elect

The word 'neither' deals with two items, people etc. I gave you three snips of verses. All three deal with election. The first two are written to Gentile believers. In the Second Peter reference most were likely Gentiles.

I asked if you are a Gentile. Anyone who is not a Jew is a Gentile. It's a simple thing to answer. You are either a Jew or a Gentile. If you are a Gentile and a believer in Christ Jesus you are of God's elect. It's rather elementary MB.

Now engage in what I have said and asked. If you don't, I will know that you are squirming to escape from the obvious.

 

[1689Dave]

So far the false gospel argument against the Calvinist Limited Atonement view has not been refuted in this thread.
Matthew 22:14, "For many are called, but few are chosen." Then there is 1 Timothy 2:5-6, ". . . the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, . . ." That Greek word there translated "ransom" occurs only once, and is singular and means a ransom for each individual of the "for all." 1 Timothy 2:4, ". . . Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." Christ having died for all persons, not just securing salvation for His elect. So it is genuinely offered to everyone.

But Jesus told the Pharisees He did not die for them in John 10. And God hardened their hearts so they could not believe. All men to a first-century Jew = Gentiles too.

 

[MB]

But Jesus told the Pharisees He did not die for them in John 10. And God hardened their hearts so they could not believe. All men to a first-century Jew = Gentiles too.

I noticed you didn't mention which verse in Jn 10

 

[MB]

But Jesus told the Pharisees He did not die for them in John 10. And God hardened their hearts so they could not believe. All men to a first-century Jew = Gentiles too.

You are absolutely wrong about Jn 10 you're just trying to place words in John and Paul's mouth.
MB

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Neither of those verses support your false accusation All you need to do is prove Gentiles
can be elect

Here are some more snippets for your consideration. This time I will quote from the KJV :

1 Peter 1:2 "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father."
Romans 8:33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?"
Romans 9:11 "...that the purpose of God according to election might stand."

 

[MB]

The word 'neither' deals with two items, people etc. I gave you three snips of verses. All three deal with election. The first two are written to Gentile believers. In the Second Peter reference most were likely Gentiles.

I asked if you are a Gentile. Anyone who is not a Jew is a Gentile. It's a simple thing to answer. You are either a Jew or a Gentile. If you are a Gentile and a believer in Christ Jesus you are of God's elect. It's rather elementary MB.

Now engage in what I have said and asked. If you don't, I will know that you are squirming to escape from the obvious.

I would never squirm because of something you said. There are no elect Gentiles in scripture. There is no verse that says directly Gentiles have been elected. Your argument is with out truth. You have not presented proof just your opinion You are not elect. You have falsely assumed you are. So prove you are elect.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

For your information if we do not question God we will never know. The Bible never says we cannot question God.
Unconditional election is still respect of persons.It's Gentile hopeful thinking. There is not one Gentile in scripture that was elected by God Don't you find that curious?
MB

All saved gentiles are the elect of God, as none ever were saved who were not elected out beforehand by the will of the father!

 

[Yeshua1]

I would never squirm because of something you said. There are no elect Gentiles in scripture. There is no verse that says directly Gentiles have been elected. Your argument is with out truth. You have not presented proof just your opinion You are not elect. You have falsely assumed you are. So prove you are elect.
MB

Paul would disagree with you, and his disagrees with most of your theology!

 

[Yeshua1]

Neither of those verses support your false accusation All you need to do is prove Gentiles
can be elect
MBt

Proved in Romans!

 

[MB]

Here are some more snippets for your consideration. This time I will quote from the KJV :

1 Peter 1:2 "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father."
Romans 8:33 "Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?"
Romans 9:11 "...that the purpose of God according to election might stand."

Besides Peter was a apostle to the Jews not Gentiles.
Jews have spread all over the world. You are assuming again. Jews can be strangers too. You still have no proof. Now squirm to find proof
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Besides Peter was a apostle to the Jews not Gentiles.
Jews have spread all over the world. You are assuming again. Jews can be strangers too. You still have no proof. Now squirm to find proof
MB

Elect in Christ only are the saved of God!

 

[RipponRedeaux]

I would never squirm because of something you said. There are no elect Gentiles in scripture. There is no verse that says directly Gentiles have been elected. Your argument is with out truth. You have not presented proof just your opinion You are not elect. You have falsely assumed you are. So prove you are elect.
MB

All true believers in Christ are elect of God. We are his beloved, His sheep, His Body, His Church --and so many more terms signifying the same thing.

Have you made your calling and election sure MB?

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." (Romans 8:28-30)

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Besides Peter was a apostle to the Jews not Gentiles.
Jews have spread all over the world. You are assuming again. Jews can be strangers too. You still have no proof. Now squirm to find proof
MB

The elect are from among all tribes, nations, peoples and languages.

And I told you before that Paul was sent to minister the Gospel to the Gentiles. He called them elect. Do not deny Scripture MB.

 

[1689Dave]

A most baffling question for Universalists. If in Hebrews 6 apostates cannot repent unless Christ undergoes crucifixion all over again to include them, how could he have already died for them making this necessary?

 

[MB]

The elect are from among all tribes, nations, peoples and languages.

And I told you before that Paul was sent to minister the Gospel to the Gentiles. He called them elect. Do not deny Scripture MB.

Paul was also a Jew who wanted Jews to be saved it was his custom to preach in the synagogues to Jews as well as gentiles Paul called the Jews elect present at his teachings. You make all kinds of claims and yet have no proof. You think you'll change my mind but you can't do that with false doctrines.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

The elect are from among all tribes, nations, peoples and languages.

And I told you before that Paul was sent to minister the Gospel to the Gentiles. He called them elect. Do not deny Scripture MB.

His Theology seems to be in places quite aberrant!

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Paul was also a Jew who wanted Jews to be saved it was his custom to preach in the synagogues to Jews as well as gentiles Paul called the Jews elect present at his teachings. You make all kinds of claims and yet have no proof. You think you'll change my mind but you can't do that with false doctrines.
MB

MB, I have cited Scripture after Scripture to prove that the elect are from among all classes of people --not just from among the Jews. Your problem isn't with me but the Bible itself. You disbelieve major doctrines.

 

[MB]

A most baffling question for Universalists. If in Hebrews 6 apostates cannot repent unless Christ undergoes crucifixion all over again to include them, how could he have already died for them making this necessary?

Christ only died once and those saved are saved and will live eternally. Once saved always saved you cannot loose your Salvation. Everyone who sins falls away in that moment but the moment they confess there sin they are forgiven. It was called dying daily by Paul IOW's we have to die to our own sins after Salvation. Not to mention we have an advocate in Christ, There is no man with out sin.
MB

 

[MB]

MB, I have cited Scripture after Scripture to prove that the elect are from among all classes of people --not just from among the Jews. Your problem isn't with me but the Bible itself. You disbelieve major doctrines.

There is nothing major about false doctrines they are man made and are not the doctrine of Christ.
MB