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Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Oct 21, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Human will cannot will ;ost and dead sinners to now come alive in order to received Lord Jesus!
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    This is word of faith heresy, as the Lord has never lost His dominion over any of His creation!
     
  3. MB

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    If God is not a respecter of persons. Then how is it only a few are elect? That is blatant respect of individuals
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    You never answer a post. Learn how and maybe I will argue with you.
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    Truthfully, nowhere is that teaching in the word of God. Rather, the Devil murdered them. John 8:44.
     
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    So you must be saying to your self God's dominion has no power to stop sin. Certainly sin is the main focus of this world. This alone proves it is Satan who rules for now. Other wise you'd have to say God is responsible for sin..Why would God allow Satan so much of his leash. You must admit that Satan does create havoc. Unles you like the Calvinist blame it on God's determination
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    None of what you claimed here is in scripture
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    it’s also a mischaracterization
     
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    It is spot on. If they don't accept Christ they are not saved. = works (the first commandment).
     
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    No.
    The coming New Heaven and New Earth. Revelation 21:27.
     
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    well no it’s not and you do not understand what biblical works. Hint: it’s not just because you do something. I suggest you study your Bible on this subject.
     
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    Wow! The level of projection and false equivalency is off the charts in your post.
    When you post "This alone proves it is Satan who rules for now" you jump the shark into a world that requires the mods to intervene. I just don't even know what to say. Just...wow.
     
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    Telling free wills what they believe. You are way off base Did you take your meds this morning according to Gal 2:16 we believe that we might be saved. You on the other cannot because of your Calvinism won't let you believe.
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    =responding with faith in Jesus because of God Holy Spirit’ intervention is works salvation=

    false gospel

    =people are saved before they hear or believe the gospel=

    false gospel

    =Jesus didn’t die for non-believers=

    false gospel

    =if you don’t understand scripture like I do, you aren’t born again=

    false gospel

    peace to you
     
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    When you stated Satan now has dominion over the earth, does that mean that he was in control over earth then, and did God get rulership back over yet?
     
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    There has NEVER been a moment of time in history when God ceased to be on his throne and ruling from heaven this earth!
     
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    Never question the wisdom of God.
    The LORD does not fall prey to the thinking of mortals. They are easily swayed by, those of power, reputation, wealth and attractive appearance. The LORD is unaffected by these mortal enticements. That's the idea behing Acts 10:34.

    Do you wish to counter Matthew 7:14?
    "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (NIV)
     
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    I do not have time to read this entire thread, so if I am echoing someone else's reply, please accept my apology.

    You know better than this. I know you do because you have participated in numerous C&A threads. You also know better than to cherry pick passages that seemingly make your point.

    Any Calvinist who knows the Bible will heartily agree with Mark 16:15. Yes. Go and preach the gospel to every creature. Of course, the Calvinist never tells "every creature" that Christ died for them. Why? Because if the Calvinist is intellectually honest he does not know if every creature is elect. Only those who genuinely believe are elect. So, the Calvinist proclaims that Christ died for all those who place their faith in Him. It is not up to any Christian to determine whether a person is elect. That is the work of God. We just preach the gospel. It is what Spurgeon did. He preached the gospel and knew that God would perform His work of redemption in the hearts of those whom He called. That is what definite atonement is all about.
     
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    Do you understand the argument being made? And either it is true or it is not true.

    Is it true or not in the view of limited atonement Christ only died for the sins of those He saves?

    My complaint is those who do not accept Christ's death for their sins it was not really there for them. It is effectively a fraud. Explain how it is not.

    The Biblical teaching "many are called few are chosen."
     
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    You respond because you are saved. You are not saved because you respond = you are your own savior, not Christ.
     
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