Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

[Yeshua1]

Where does scripture say Human faith, the kind you buy used cars with cannot discern Christ,? You seem to write your own doctrines
MB

Human will cannot will ;ost and dead sinners to now come alive in order to received Lord Jesus!

 

[Yeshua1]

Don't you see my point about being a Sovereign ruler? I do not deny the whole universe belongs to God that included man.
If you read this verse you will see God gave dominion to Adam.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The first meaning of the word dominion
1. Sovereign or supreme authority; the power of governing and controlling.

God gave this to Adam. When Adam sinned he believe the devil and that eating the fruit would make him like God. In doing so he gave dominion to Satan.
MB

This is word of faith heresy, as the Lord has never lost His dominion over any of His creation!

 

[MB]

Peter says of the born again throughout the world.

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:” Acts 10:34 (KJV 1900)

“But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.” Acts 10:35 (KJV 1900)

Only the born again do this.

If God is not a respecter of persons. Then how is it only a few are elect? That is blatant respect of individuals
MB.

 

[MB]

So you adhere to Universalism then?

You never answer a post. Learn how and maybe I will argue with you.
MB

 

[37818]

In doing so he gave dominion to Satan.

Truthfully, nowhere is that teaching in the word of God. Rather, the Devil murdered them. John 8:44.

 

[MB]

Truthfully, nowhere is that teaching in the word of God. Rather, the Devil murdered them. John 8:44.

So you must be saying to your self God's dominion has no power to stop sin. Certainly sin is the main focus of this world. This alone proves it is Satan who rules for now. Other wise you'd have to say God is responsible for sin..Why would God allow Satan so much of his leash. You must admit that Satan does create havoc. Unles you like the Calvinist blame it on God's determination
MB

 

[MB]

Human will cannot will ;ost and dead sinners to now come alive in order to received Lord Jesus!

None of what you claimed here is in scripture
MB

 

[Revmitchell]

= people save themselves when they respond. = False gospel.

it’s also a mischaracterization

 

[1689Dave]

it’s also a mischaracterization

It is spot on. If they don't accept Christ they are not saved. = works (the first commandment).

 

[37818]

So you must be saying to your self God's dominion has no power to stop sin.

No.
The coming New Heaven and New Earth. Revelation 21:27.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is spot on. If they don't accept Christ they are not saved. = works (the first commandment).

well no it’s not and you do not understand what biblical works. Hint: it’s not just because you do something. I suggest you study your Bible on this subject.

 

[AustinC]

So you must be saying to your self God's dominion has no power to stop sin. Certainly sin is the main focus of this world. This alone proves it is Satan who rules for now. Other wise you'd have to say God is responsible for sin..Why would God allow Satan so much of his leash. You must admit that Satan does create havoc. Unles you like the Calvinist blame it on God's determination
MB

Wow! The level of projection and false equivalency is off the charts in your post.
When you post "This alone proves it is Satan who rules for now" you jump the shark into a world that requires the mods to intervene. I just don't even know what to say. Just...wow.

 

[MB]

It is spot on. If they don't accept Christ they are not saved. = works (the first commandment).

Telling free wills what they believe. You are way off base Did you take your meds this morning according to Gal 2:16 we believe that we might be saved. You on the other cannot because of your Calvinism won't let you believe.
MB

 

[canadyjd]

= people save themselves when they respond. = False gospel.

=responding with faith in Jesus because of God Holy Spirit’ intervention is works salvation=

false gospel

=people are saved before they hear or believe the gospel=

false gospel

=Jesus didn’t die for non-believers=

false gospel

=if you don’t understand scripture like I do, you aren’t born again=

false gospel

peace to you

 

[Yeshua1]

You never answer a post. Learn how and maybe I will argue with you.
MB

When you stated Satan now has dominion over the earth, does that mean that he was in control over earth then, and did God get rulership back over yet?

 

[Yeshua1]

So you must be saying to your self God's dominion has no power to stop sin. Certainly sin is the main focus of this world. This alone proves it is Satan who rules for now. Other wise you'd have to say God is responsible for sin..Why would God allow Satan so much of his leash. You must admit that Satan does create havoc. Unles you like the Calvinist blame it on God's determination
MB

There has NEVER been a moment of time in history when God ceased to be on his throne and ruling from heaven this earth!

 

[RipponRedeaux]

If God is not a respecter of persons. Then how is it only a few are elect? That is blatant respect of individuals

Never question the wisdom of God.
The LORD does not fall prey to the thinking of mortals. They are easily swayed by, those of power, reputation, wealth and attractive appearance. The LORD is unaffected by these mortal enticements. That's the idea behing Acts 10:34.

Do you wish to counter Matthew 7:14?
"But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (NIV)

 

[Reformed]

Mark 16:15, ". . . Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
The Calvinist view point of Limited Atonement means for those who never believe the good news it was never really good news because, Limited Atonement means Christ never really died for them that never would believe, and that is why they do not believe.

I do not have time to read this entire thread, so if I am echoing someone else's reply, please accept my apology.

You know better than this. I know you do because you have participated in numerous C&A threads. You also know better than to cherry pick passages that seemingly make your point.

Any Calvinist who knows the Bible will heartily agree with Mark 16:15. Yes. Go and preach the gospel to every creature. Of course, the Calvinist never tells "every creature" that Christ died for them. Why? Because if the Calvinist is intellectually honest he does not know if every creature is elect. Only those who genuinely believe are elect. So, the Calvinist proclaims that Christ died for all those who place their faith in Him. It is not up to any Christian to determine whether a person is elect. That is the work of God. We just preach the gospel. It is what Spurgeon did. He preached the gospel and knew that God would perform His work of redemption in the hearts of those whom He called. That is what definite atonement is all about.

 

[37818]

I do not have time to read this entire thread, so if I am echoing someone else's reply, please accept my apology.

You know better than this. I know you do because you have participated in numerous C&A threads. You also know better than to cherry pick passages that seemingly make your point.

Any Calvinist who knows the Bible will heartily agree with Mark 16:15. Yes. Go and preach the gospel to every creature. Of course, the Calvinist never tells "every creature" that Christ died for them. Why? Because if the Calvinist is intellectually honest he does not know if every creature is elect. Only those who genuinely believe are elect. So, the Calvinist proclaims that Christ died for all those who place their faith in Him. It is not up to any Christian to determine whether a person is elect. That is the work of God. We just preach the gospel. It is what Spurgeon did. He preached the gospel and knew that God would perform His work of redemption in the hearts of those whom He called. That is what definite atonement is all about.

Do you understand the argument being made? And either it is true or it is not true.

Is it true or not in the view of limited atonement Christ only died for the sins of those He saves?

My complaint is those who do not accept Christ's death for their sins it was not really there for them. It is effectively a fraud. Explain how it is not.

The Biblical teaching "many are called few are chosen."

 

[1689Dave]

=responding with faith in Jesus because of God Holy Spirit’ intervention is works salvation=

false gospel

=people are saved before they hear or believe the gospel=

false gospel

=Jesus didn’t die for non-believers=

false gospel

=if you don’t understand scripture like I do, you aren’t born again=

false gospel

peace to you

You respond because you are saved. You are not saved because you respond = you are your own savior, not Christ.