Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

Normal Calvinist response. If you are going to quote someone do it correctly. The texts, as you well know, were your calvinist texts that he believes. If a Calvinist actually believed what the bible says then they would not be Calvinists would they?

 

So if a person is already saved then of what use is the gospel to them or for that matter why did Christ Jesus have to go to the cross? Your theology is made of hole cloth and the sad thing is you don't even know that.

 

God is sovereign over His creation. He is just not sovereign over Calvinism. At least that is what they think. Calvinists want their god to be in control of all things except for man being able to freely chose to follow Him. Then it is no God can't do that as then that would make man superior to God. Really? Calvinists have such a low view of God that I am surprised that they allow Him do do anything in regard to salvation.

 

How does responding to the offer of salvation make someone their own savior? If I reach down my hand to help a drowning man and he takes my hand does that mean that he saved himself. Or are you saying that he was saved before I reached out my hand to help him?

 

I was going to say a little bible study would help but in your case I think it would require a lot of bible study to get past your calvinism.

 

I never claim to speak for all “Calvinists” and I’m sure their views vary on certain points.

I understand “my texts” just fine. What I do not do is lecture other Christians about context, as you did with John 17, and then deliberately leave out a significant verse that defines the context of the passage.

That is deceitful on your part, and demonstrates a lack of understanding of proper methods of approaching scripture.

peace to you

 

A passage from Scripture is a passage from the breathed-out Spirit of God. You regard some texts as Calvinistic. So you want to disregard them?

 

I do, which is why I looked at the context of the verse. But thanks for letting me know that

 

Please do not put words in my mouth.

 

This place reveals prejudiced persons who are clueless about Reformed theology so they speak in broad caricatures of their own creation.

 

You show once again you are not aware of what the theology actually is.

 

I don't forget what the bible says but it is clear that you do.

 

Austin if you refuse to see what the bible says that is your problem not mine. When you stop with the calvinist view and just trust the bible then you will come to see the truth. Hopefully that will not be to long in happenuing.

 

When you just ignore that warts in your theology that does not make them go away. Open your eyes and see what your theology leads to. But that is something that seems to be beyond you at this time. Perhaps sometime in the future you will be able to see the truth of scripture.

 

Do you not know what the word context means. look it up then make your comments.

 

You have nothing scriptural so you try and provoke Calvinists.
The Calvinists are shutting you down over and over because you are not equipped to deal with scripture.
You suggest otherwise but cannot sustain a biblical position.

 

I can’t speak for the others on this board but whether you agree with him or not in my experience he is always as honest as he can be and his posts are full of integrity. On this subject he and I almost never agree but one never needs to doubt his sincerity

 

You have no desire to discuss scripture or context. You only want to spew anti-Calvinist tripe that does nothing to further anyone’s understanding of Gods Word.

I’ll leave you to it

peace to you

 

Thank you for the kind words.

I have always appreciated your well thought out views and general decency in debates. You support your views with scripture and consider what others say. Mostly.

peace to you

 

If my posts appear to lack a level of consideration it is always intentional and provoked