Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

[MB]

The word soveregin has the meaning of having supreme permanent authority.

The word sovereign is not in scripture. This is mans false claim
I realize what it means but if God is sovereign as claimed then there is huge wholes in His authority with all the sin in the world. With all this sin in the world means Satan is in power for the most part. The struggle between the powers of the World is the struggle that has always been with us. When the Lord does come He will take over and rule. If the Calvinist have it there way then they make claims God is responsible for there sin.
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[MB]

Your idea of the gospel does not work so your problem is with it, not the Calvinists. Get the true gospel and limited atonement is not guilty of what you say it is.

I'm really Glad you're wrong. There is no limited atonement in scripture. If there were you'd be saying see I told you so.
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[AustinC]

The word sovereign is not in scripture. This is mans false claim
I realize what it means but if God is sovereign as claimed then there is huge wholes in His authority with all the sin in the world. With all this sin in the world means Satan is in power for the most part. The struggle between the powers of the World is the struggle that has always been with us. When the Lord does come He will take over and rule. If the Calvinist have it there way then they make claims God is responsible for there sin.
MB

Ezekiel uses the Hebrew word translated as Sovereign quite often in his prophesy.

There are no holes in God's supremacy over all things, which is what Sovereignty is addressing.

Do you reject the notion that God is Supreme over all His creation?
(MB probably won't answer this as he likely has me on ignore, so I post it for others.)

 

[Yeshua1]

This completely non-biblical nonsense. The ones who ask are the ones who are convinced and convicted by the Holy Spirit and by Hearing the Gospel
MB

They are his sheep

 

[Yeshua1]

this is heresy, pure and simple! a sinner can be born again BEFORE they repent and believe? This is NONSENSE!

They must be regenerated unto salvation , as are elected by the father, died for by the Son, and saved by working of the Holy Spirit towards them!

 

[37818]

The word sovereign is not in scripture. This is mans false claim.

Depends on translation being used. The Jewish Publication Society changed the 1917 "the Lord GOD" to in 1985 "Sovereign the LORD." The Hebrew didn't change.

 

[MB]

but only an imaginary idol bearing His name. It cannot save. This is Roman Catholic faith for example. And any system that must meet conditions before salvation takes place. = Works = legalism.

You must be born-again (saved) before you can discern the true Christ and believe.

Where does scripture say Human faith, the kind you buy used cars with cannot discern Christ,? You seem to write your own doctrines
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[MB]

They are his sheep

Not until they are saved.
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[MB]

Depends on translation being used. The Jewish Publication Society changed the 1917 "the Lord GOD" to in 1985 "Sovereign the LORD." The Hebrew didn't change.

The word sovereign means absolute control. God does not have absolute control of the Earth. When Adam believed Satan satan got dominion. The Last war is about Good and evil fighting each other. Christ will win the war with a shout.
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[37818]

. . . satan got dominion.

Psalms 24:1, "The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. . . ." 1 Corinthians 10:26, ". . . For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. . . ."

 

[canadyjd]

Cornelius was obviously born again long before he heard Peter preach. The gospel saves us from the pitfalls of life. But you must already be saved in order to hear it in truth.

If Cornelius was “obviously saved” before he heard the gospel, then you are saying the gospel is not necessary for salvation. Is that what you are saying?

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

"Accepting Jesus" as a condition for salvation is a failed attempt to keep the first commandment. = Works. People believe in Jesus because God saves them. Any choice of the will results in salvation by works.

People believe in Jesus because they are His chosen elect, God Holy Spirit intervened in their lives, they respond with faith, are in-dwelt by Holy Spirit and are saved from God’s wrath. They are not saved until God brings them to salvation.

Peace to you

 

[1689Dave]

People believe in Jesus because they are His chosen elect, God Holy Spirit intervened in their lives, they respond with faith, are in-dwelt by Holy Spirit and are saved from God’s wrath. They are not saved until God brings them to salvation.

Peace to you

= people save themselves when they respond. = False gospel.

 

[1689Dave]

If Cornelius was “obviously saved” before he heard the gospel, then you are saying the gospel is not necessary for salvation. Is that what you are saying?

peace to you

Peter says of the born again throughout the world.

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:” Acts 10:34 (KJV 1900)

“But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.” Acts 10:35 (KJV 1900)

Only the born again do this.

 

[Yeshua1]

The word sovereign is not in scripture. This is mans false claim
I realize what it means but if God is sovereign as claimed then there is huge wholes in His authority with all the sin in the world. With all this sin in the world means Satan is in power for the most part. The struggle between the powers of the World is the struggle that has always been with us. When the Lord does come He will take over and rule. If the Calvinist have it there way then they make claims God is responsible for there sin.
MB

Has there ever been anything to happen in history that God was either surprised by, unaware of, or could not if he so chose to, directly intervene in?

 

[Yeshua1]

= people save themselves when they respond. = False gospel.

They respond due to God choosing them, and providing for them the means to do such!

 

[Yeshua1]

Not until they are saved.
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They are saved due to Him first knowing and calling them!

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm really Glad you're wrong. There is no limited atonement in scripture. If there were you'd be saying see I told you so.
MB

So you adhere to Universalism then?

 

[Yeshua1]

Ezekiel uses the Hebrew word translated as Sovereign quite often in his prophesy.

There are no holes in God's supremacy over all things, which is what Sovereignty is addressing.

Do you reject the notion that God is Supreme over all His creation?
(MB probably won't answer this as he likely has me on ignore, so I post it for others.)

The OT prophets and Apostles of Christ saw no issue with God being sovereign!

 

[MB]

Psalms 24:1, "The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. . . ." 1 Corinthians 10:26, ". . . For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. . . ."

Don't you see my point about being a Sovereign ruler? I do not deny the whole universe belongs to God that included man.
If you read this verse you will see God gave dominion to Adam.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The first meaning of the word dominion
1. Sovereign or supreme authority; the power of governing and controlling.

God gave this to Adam. When Adam sinned he believe the devil and that eating the fruit would make him like God. In doing so he gave dominion to Satan.
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