I don’t know what distortions of history you are filling your head with mate, it just seems like you are running a narrative without evidence here.
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I don’t know what distortions of history you are filling your head with mate, it just seems like you are running a narrative without evidence here.
These guys are the reason you have the word of God, and you need to take particular note that they quote the word of God most often, but not with your interpretations of it.
The difference is that I have studied the history and you have assumed Roman Catholic doctrine to have remained constant.
Interestingly, you can read the history on Catholic sites. You can also read the full writings of ECF's who disagreed with one another and the modern Roman Catholic Church over many issues.
In fact, when I want to read these writings I often go to Roman Catholic sites.
That is how I know that Anselm disagreed with Origen about the redemptive work of Christ. Anselm successfully changed the Roman Catholic position on the Cross (which would be, per your standard, forming a different denomination).
And, of course, centuries later Aquinas disagreed with Anselm and changed the Roman Catholic understanding of Jesus work.
Then centuries later Aquinas' work was refined into something close but different.
The strange thing is any Catholic should know that the Roman Catholic Church was at odds with the ECF's and at odds with previous iterations of the Roman Catholic Church if they only took the time to read the rich history the Roman Church makes avaliable.
But they don't. Instead they rely on snips of writings and answers fed to them by their cult.
I have shown your quotes of the Fathers were out of context. Anyone can see that Church Fathers were Catholic.
I have shown you the entire writings from which you lifted those quotes.
Every ECF held a belief of Jesus' work of redemption that the Roman Catholic Church rejects. They were not Catholic.
Every Apostalic Father held a view of the Supper that the Roman Catholic Church rejects. They were not Catholic.
Every ECF held a different belief of the church itself than the Roman Catholic embodies.
Honestly mate, no reasonable reading of the Fathers yields Protestant or Baptist theologies.
If you venture in there with those mindsets, the Early Church Fathers will bite your whiskers off, as I have already demonstrated.
Got it. So NOT the Word of God. Their opinions only.
I left the rc denomination after reading God's Word (which was NOT encouraged back). The Holy Spirit showed me that the rc denomination (teachings/doctrines) can't be found in His Word.
Not their opinions either, their understanding of scripture is Apostolic teaching handed down.
Your understanding of scripture is human tradition based on human opinion.
The Fathers simply maintained the Apostolic understanding of scripture.
What? You would have heard the whole bible read to you over 3 years if you showed up to mass each day.
You obviously weren’t an informed Catholic, there is strong encouragement to read scripture as part of your daily prayer life.
Because you weren’t informed, it left you vulnerable to human founded interpretations of scripture.
The Bible is the Catholic Churches book, it always has been, long before Protestants or Baptist’s existed. They had nothing to do with the Bible, the Bible came from the Catholic Church, so I only listen to the Catholic Churches interpretation of its book.
Right. Like I wrote - NOT the Word of God. Their opinions only.
Nope. Like I wrote - The Holy Spirit showed me that the rc denomination (teachings/doctrines) can't be found in His Word.
You can continue to follow man's opinions.
I left the Baptist faith after reading God's word. The Holy Spirit showed me that the Catholic Church was the Church founded by Christ Himself and the word of God was preserved by the Church.
That wasn't the Holy Spirit...
Oh, I see. I know that you believe that the moment you accepted Jesus and you were saved, I used to believe that too. As a Catholic I follow the Biblical pattern, and believe we are saved (2 Timothy 1:9), we are being saved (1 Corinthians 1:18), and we will be saved (Romans 5:9). So salvation is not a moment’s intellectual assent, but a lifelong journey. This is what the early Christians believed, and it was not until the 16th century that it was challenged by the Protestant formula.
That’s right, it’s a race to the finish, of perseverance of remaining in Christ.
This is the true Apostolic understanding of scripture.
It takes intellectual honesty, a great love of the Truth and Grace to see it and follow it.
How do you know?
You have no idea what I believe, since you follow the men of the rc hierarchy and I follow the Word of God. Thanks for confirming I was right. It wasn't the Holy Spirit who led you to the rc denomination. The rc denominations can't be found in God's Word.
See #78
So only you are guided by The Holy Spirit to understand scripture, and the Great Councils and Fathers of the Church are not guided, the ones that determined the Bible in the first place.
You have placed yourself on the highest pedestal of all, you hold yourself up as an Oracle of God.