predestination and providence are the basis of any and all meaningful prayer, thats why.
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Why Do Arminians Pray for the Salvation of the Lost?
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you cannot answer the op so you offer the tired strawman defense....
try and address the op...I do not think you can....prove me wrong.
Personally when I pray for the lost I ask the LORD that they might be saved. Send them the light of the gospel unto salvation.
It takes other forms which would embarrass me to give publicly.
I don't worry about the salvific theology of dead men, I just say/ask/plead for what is in my heart.
HankD
It takes other forms which would embarrass me to give publicly.
I don't worry about the salvific theology of dead men, I just say/ask/plead for what is in my heart.
HankD
But, Gods will will be done with or without us?
The O. P. Is asking us to defend a premise we don't believe. Why would we do that?
He is asking for what you do believe...when you pray...he is asking for exactly what you ask God in prayer...do not over think it ...
1. It IS a strawman argument. thatbrian makes them all the time. Yes, they are tiring.
2. I'm not an Arminian, so why would I answer it.
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ITL,
The op is direct.....he is making a point, granted you might not care for the point he makes, but if it is valid...it should be considered.
Many believe if the truth be known,,,everyone is a cal when praying for loved ones, no matter what they profess to believe.
No, he asked "So, my question is, why do Arminians pray for the salvation of uncle Billy or cousin Daisy? What exactly are they asking God to do?"
That question is fine, but I am not conceding his false premise in his first paragraph. "So" means since the above was true, answer this. The above was no true, SO, I ain't conceding it to be true by answering the question after "so."
alright...technically....but you know what he means, and i think the answer makes a person think through it....that can be helpful
When you pray, do you ask God to do anything in reference to the person you pray for? Forget that he used the term arminians....
How could I ask God to do something that "my" theology does not say can happen? My theology says Jesus saves.
Are you an Arminian?
No, he's not making a point. When he starts out with the trite, "God is looking down the corridors of time" analogy he's defining what he thinks an Arminian believes. Then he asks:
So, my question is, why do Arminians pray for the salvation of uncle Billy or cousin Daisy? What exactly are they asking God to do?
Sorry, but I'm not a mind reader. Not only do I NOT know what Arminians ask God to do about uncle Billy but I don't know what 'point' is being made. If the point is, "We're all Calvinists when praying for someone's salvation", that's not even remotely hinted at by the OP.
Please elaborate and tell us why we're all Calvinists when praying.
Well, then the OP has got to be one of the worst communicators on the planet if that's what he's asking, because that's not remotely what he wrote. You're not doing very well here, either.
Ok...i will bite on this....ITL.....have you ever prayed and asked God to save someone?
If you answer yes.....what were you asking God to Do?
What were you requesting and asking God?
Did you ask for God to give the person a new heart?
Did you ask for God to regenerate that dead sinner to life?
Did you ask for God to make the person willing and able to respond saving my to the word preached?
Have you asked God to prepare the persons heart to welcome the word preached?
Have you asked for God to give the person no peace, and no rest until they rest in Jesus?
That is a few examples of the question of the op..
Now if you do not petition for any of these things....what do you specifically pray for instead.....is that clearer?
No.
Yes, but not in the way a Calvinist uses the word regenerate.
Not sure what you are asking here, but...I pray that God will open people's eyes to the power and truth of the gospel, convict them of their sin, show them their need of a savior, and make them willing to believe.
Yes.
I haven't, but thanks for the suggestion!
I do ask that God cause people's minds to be focused on spiritual matters.
I ask God to draw people to him, to enlighten their hearts and minds, to show them their need for repentance, and, yes, to save their souls.
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Calvinists pray to God precisely because He is sovereign. It makes no sense to appeal to God in prayer for the unbeliever when ultimately, the unbeliever's fate is in his own hands. God, in the mind of the Arminian, has already done everything He can do to save the sinner.
What sense does it make to ask Him to do something about what He has no control over?
Firstly, your reply doesn't address the heart of the question, and secondly, that phrase is used ad nauseam by Arminianians - Pelagians. I'm just repeating the very words of my theological opponents.
I wish that an Arminian would address the OP.
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