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Why Do Both Paul and Peter refer to The Jewish Foundation of the Church as a Nation

Ascetic X

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Galatians 6:15-16, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Yes. Those who say there is no such thing as Jew or gentile today forget that this is true only in Christ.

Outside of Christ, there are still Jew and gentile, even as there are still male and female. Only in Christ are all distinctions no longer in effect.
 

JD731

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This post is for the purpose of helping to clarify for those who have been confused by their teachers about certain points of God's dispensational divisions between the church and the world, unsaved Israel and the Jewish remnant according to the election of grace, which is the Jewish part of the church, and what it means when Paul says in Romans 11 that all Israel will be saved.

All those who have been converted between the resurrection of Christ and now have been baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ that he is forming in this age of grace. This is nearly complete now. When it is complete the age of grace as a dispensation will also end. The church will be gathered together and receive a physical resurrection, a glorification if you will, with new bodies able to inhabit heaven in the presence of the Father.

At that time there will not be a single saved person on the earth to begin what the Bible has taught us is the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble, also known as the tribulation and the great tribulation. God will send two witnesses, Elijah and Moses (two for testimony) and Israel will endure the 7 fold furnace of fire for the purpose of purification and at the very end there will not be a single soul left on the earth (though very few in number left alive) who is not saved to enter into the final 1000 years dispensation of righteousness, albeit all who are born during this time will need a new birth and there will be many who will not be saved.

This is a broad outline but it is true. The nation of Israel will be on earth along with the saved nations and the church is the heavenly family. The trinitarian signature is apparent.
 

Ascetic X

Well-Known Member
This post is for the purpose of helping to clarify for those who have been confused by their teachers about certain points of God's dispensational divisions between the church and the world, unsaved Israel and the Jewish remnant according to the election of grace, which is the Jewish part of the church, and what it means when Paul says in Romans 11 that all Israel will be saved.

All those who have been converted between the resurrection of Christ and now have been baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ that he is forming in this age of grace. This is nearly complete now. When it is complete the age of grace as a dispensation will also end. The church will be gathered together and receive a physical resurrection, a glorification if you will, with new bodies able to inhabit heaven in the presence of the Father.

At that time there will not be a single saved person on the earth to begin what the Bible has taught us is the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble, also known as the tribulation and the great tribulation. God will send two witnesses, Elijah and Moses (two for testimony) and Israel will endure the 7 fold furnace of fire for the purpose of purification and at the very end there will not be a single soul left on the earth (though very few in number left alive) who is not saved to enter into the final 1000 years dispensation of righteousness, albeit all who are born during this time will need a new birth and there will be many who will not be saved.

This is a broad outline but it is true. The nation of Israel will be on earth along with the saved nations and the church is the heavenly family. The trinitarian signature is apparent.
So you don’t think the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven to earth is for Christians?

It is just for the remnant of Israel, while born again Jews and gentiles in the church, the body of Christ, will live in heaven forever?
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
So you don’t think the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven to earth is for Christians?

It is just for the remnant of Israel, while born again Jews and gentiles in the church, the body of Christ, will live in heaven forever?
New Jerusalem is the heavenly city that comes down out of heaven (not to the earth) in the eternal state during the new heaven and the new earth. Picture a satellite city whose light lightens the earth. It is the paradise of God where the Godhead dwells and where the throne of God is. It is the abode of the church in which the Holy Spirit dwells. That is why this verse is written such:

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb s wife. (the Lamb's wife is the church)
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (remember the 12 foundation stones of the church, the apostles of Eph 2:18-20.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb s book of life.

I am not sure why religious men cannot believe the words that are written here but there are nations walking in the light of this city in the eternal state.
 
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