Why Do Both Paul and Peter refer to The Jewish Foundation of the Church as a Nation

[Ascetic X]

Galatians 6:15-16, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Yes. Those who say there is no such thing as Jew or gentile today forget that this is true only in Christ.

Outside of Christ, there are still Jew and gentile, even as there are still male and female. Only in Christ are all distinctions no longer in effect.

 

[JD731]

This post is for the purpose of helping to clarify for those who have been confused by their teachers about certain points of God's dispensational divisions between the church and the world, unsaved Israel and the Jewish remnant according to the election of grace, which is the Jewish part of the church, and what it means when Paul says in Romans 11 that all Israel will be saved.

All those who have been converted between the resurrection of Christ and now have been baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ that he is forming in this age of grace. This is nearly complete now. When it is complete the age of grace as a dispensation will also end. The church will be gathered together and receive a physical resurrection, a glorification if you will, with new bodies able to inhabit heaven in the presence of the Father.

At that time there will not be a single saved person on the earth to begin what the Bible has taught us is the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble, also known as the tribulation and the great tribulation. God will send two witnesses, Elijah and Moses (two for testimony) and Israel will endure the 7 fold furnace of fire for the purpose of purification and at the very end there will not be a single soul left on the earth (though very few in number left alive) who is not saved to enter into the final 1000 years dispensation of righteousness, albeit all who are born during this time will need a new birth and there will be many who will not be saved.

This is a broad outline but it is true. The nation of Israel will be on earth along with the saved nations and the church is the heavenly family. The trinitarian signature is apparent.

 

[Ascetic X]

This post is for the purpose of helping to clarify for those who have been confused by their teachers about certain points of God's dispensational divisions between the church and the world, unsaved Israel and the Jewish remnant according to the election of grace, which is the Jewish part of the church, and what it means when Paul says in Romans 11 that all Israel will be saved.

All those who have been converted between the resurrection of Christ and now have been baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ that he is forming in this age of grace. This is nearly complete now. When it is complete the age of grace as a dispensation will also end. The church will be gathered together and receive a physical resurrection, a glorification if you will, with new bodies able to inhabit heaven in the presence of the Father.

At that time there will not be a single saved person on the earth to begin what the Bible has taught us is the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble, also known as the tribulation and the great tribulation. God will send two witnesses, Elijah and Moses (two for testimony) and Israel will endure the 7 fold furnace of fire for the purpose of purification and at the very end there will not be a single soul left on the earth (though very few in number left alive) who is not saved to enter into the final 1000 years dispensation of righteousness, albeit all who are born during this time will need a new birth and there will be many who will not be saved.

This is a broad outline but it is true. The nation of Israel will be on earth along with the saved nations and the church is the heavenly family. The trinitarian signature is apparent.

So you don’t think the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven to earth is for Christians?

It is just for the remnant of Israel, while born again Jews and gentiles in the church, the body of Christ, will live in heaven forever?

 

[JD731]

So you don’t think the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven to earth is for Christians?

It is just for the remnant of Israel, while born again Jews and gentiles in the church, the body of Christ, will live in heaven forever?

New Jerusalem is the heavenly city that comes down out of heaven (not to the earth) in the eternal state during the new heaven and the new earth. Picture a satellite city whose light lightens the earth. It is the paradise of God where the Godhead dwells and where the throne of God is. It is the abode of the church in which the Holy Spirit dwells. That is why this verse is written such:

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb s wife. (the Lamb's wife is the church)
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (remember the 12 foundation stones of the church, the apostles of Eph 2:18-20.
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb s book of life.

I am not sure why religious men cannot believe the words that are written here but there are nations walking in the light of this city in the eternal state.

 

[percho]

The throne of God, which Jesus will sit upon is in heaven. The 12 thrones of the Israelites are in heaven (actually it is 24 thrones per Revelation) all of which are in heaven (if you believe they are literal thrones rather than symbolic)

The word “nation” refers to a designated people, NOT a physical location on the earth, which is the context of the passage.

You are applying a 21st century understanding of the word “nation” as a physical location to a 1st Century document which is very clearly referring to PEOPLE, not geography.

Such is the illogical conclusions of dispensationalism.

Peace to you

Deut 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people [? Nations] according to the number of the children of Israel.

Six of one 1/2 dozen of the other?

 

[canadyjd]

Thank you for your comments.

Your welcome

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Deut 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people [? Nations] according to the number of the children of Israel.

Six of one 1/2 dozen of the other?

Well, no.

The “nations” referred to people, not geography. That God “set bounds” doesn’t change that fact.

Modern language equates “nations” with geography. That’s not how scripture defines “nations”.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

I do understand the general summary of dispensationalism. I simply disagree.

In Matthew 24-25, Jesus states there will be a tribulation that has never been seen before or will be seen again. That can only refer to the “great tribulation”

He then then says “after” that tribulation, He will return, the elect will be gathered from the ends of the earth, followed by the Great throne judgement.

IMO, dispensationalism cannot reconcile the Words of our Lord in any way that conforms to the context of this passage.

Coupled with Paul’s teaching in Ephesians that the two groups (Jews and Gentiles) have been made into “one new man” by the cross of Christ, bound together by God Holy Spirit.. there simply cannot be a separate future for Israel.

We’ve been through this discussion several times. “Confusion” has been mentioned as the motivation of this thread.

I, very respectfully, suggest the confusion comes dispensational theology that is so clearly contrary to scripture.

With that, I’ll not bother you folks anymore.

Peace to you

 

[kyredneck]

The word “nation” refers to a designated people, NOT a physical location on the earth, which is the context of the passage.

Bingo! I think that @JD731's Dispy blinders keeps him from understanding to whom this prophecy was addressed:

Deuteronomy Chapter 32

21​	They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; They have provoked me to anger with their vanities: And I will move them to jealousy with those that are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Romans Chapter 10

19​	But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation, With a nation void of understanding will I anger you.

Acts Chapter 13

44​	And the next sabbath almost the whole city was gathered together to hear the word of God.
45​	But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with jealousy, and contradicted the things which were spoken by Paul, and blasphemed.

Matthew 27
17 When therefore they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?
18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him up.

Acts 4
1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them,
2 being sore troubled because they taught the people, and proclaimed in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. Acts 4

Acts 5
16 And there also came together the multitudes from the cities round about Jerusalem, bring sick folk, and them that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
17 But the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him (which is the sect of the Sadducees), and they were filled with jealousy,

Acts 17
5 But the Jews, being moved with jealousy, took unto them certain vile fellows of the rabble, and gathering a crowd, set the city on an uproar; and assaulting the house of Jason, they sought to bring them forth to the people.

 

[JD731]

Bingo! I think that @JD731's Dispy blinders keeps him from understanding to whom this prophecy was addressed:

Deuteronomy Chapter 32

21​	They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; They have provoked me to anger with their vanities: And I will move them to jealousy with those that are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Romans Chapter 10

19​	But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation, With a nation void of understanding will I anger you.

Acts Chapter 13

44​	And the next sabbath almost the whole city was gathered together to hear the word of God.
45​	But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with jealousy, and contradicted the things which were spoken by Paul, and blasphemed.

Matthew 27
17 When therefore they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?
18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him up.

Acts 4
1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them,
2 being sore troubled because they taught the people, and proclaimed in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. Acts 4

Acts 5
16 And there also came together the multitudes from the cities round about Jerusalem, bring sick folk, and them that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
17 But the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him (which is the sect of the Sadducees), and they were filled with jealousy,

Acts 17
5 But the Jews, being moved with jealousy, took unto them certain vile fellows of the rabble, and gathering a crowd, set the city on an uproar; and assaulting the house of Jason, they sought to bring them forth to the people.

I like you ky. I have been meaning to invite you over to visit with our Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. Feel free to bring your favorite translation. You will be welcome and you are not that far from Danville. I think I heard you say once that you were near Prestonsburg. Not far at all. I used to call on Brock-McVey Plumbing store back when I was in sales. Had wonderful conversations with sales clerk there, L. Scott about the Lord Jesus and the Bible.

But a little honesty here about your post I am responding to now. You have only proven that you know how to use a concordance to look up words. You are all over both testaments and you are not showing any cohesive thoughts by stringing them together. God has gone to a lot of trouble to divide his one nation into two nations and put the one nation away as if it were dead, but with the promise that one day he will make them his children and raise them from the dead. He said by the prophet Hosea in chapter 6:1-3 that it will be very early on the third day. You will remember that God had Peter to say to those with listening ears that in his prophetic scheme he considered a thousand years as one day and one day as a thousand years. You and I don't try that for ourselves because our life cycle is way too short and it would not work out for us.

So there are three of God's days left after his resurrection from the dead. There is going to be a one thousand year God day as the sabbath rest day for the world so that leaves two days for him to demonstrate his grace to the whole world and wouldn't you know, two thousand years have nearly passed already and we will all be finding out very soon who is telling the truth because if I am right,(and I am) Jesus Christ will be coming in the clouds very soon now for his bride and take her to the Father's house sorta like the unnamed servant in Ge 24 brought Isaac's bride Rebekah to Isaac and he came out to meet and fetch her and took her to Abraham's tent. Rebekah had consented to a marriage with Isaac having never seen him, only hearing from the unnamed servant of Abraham whom he had sent to find a wife for Isaac, of how rich he is. Of course you and your friends would probably say there is nothing to see here except the mundane, let's move on.

But let me at least quote a couple verses from Hosea 6 so you can see a prophecy regardless of what you think it means;
:
Ho 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Let me just say here that if you can prove what you teach, that God has no interest in keeping his covenant with Abraham and his covenant with David in all of the particulars, then you have proven that he cannot be trusted and that what ever promise he has made to you he just might break. But God said to both of these men, I will not lie to Abraham and I will not lie to David. He will keep his promises.

The people in Galatia in the churches were a remnant of these people to whom Hosea preached some 700 years before, and yes they were still around after all that time. He had promised that they would receive the Spirt and the new birth into the family of God and yet this would be a distinct family from the physical family of Abraham. Both families originated from Abraham and the fact that this heavenly family is now being formed first from Abrahams seed does not negate the Abrahamic covenant with all it's physical promises. They will all come to pass at a future point in time.

Note:

Ga 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after (after the Abrahamic covenant), cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

He is speaking here of the Mosaic covenant which was confirmed 430 years after the Abrahamic covenant with its promise of the Spirit of life. He is saying that the inheritance was by promise and not earned by keeping the law but the law served the purpose of illustrating that truth.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It (the law) was added because of transgressions, (how long) till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise (THE SPIRIT) by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Now here is the argument that Paul is making and the context when he says there is not Jew or gentile, male or female, etc. but the promise, which is the Spirit of Life, is given to every person who believes, without prejudice. All believers are made sons of God but that fact concerning the promise does not disannul any of the physical promises to Abraham contained in that covenant.

I think you are not understanding this, ky. There is nothing more important to God, I believe, than keeping his unconditional covenants he has made with the family of Abraham. There are fundamentals of the faith that one must understand and believe to be saved.

Ps 89:3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,
4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.

Psalms 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psalms 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

Heb 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation [is] to them an end of all strife.
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

 

[Ascetic X]

You will remember that God had Peter to say to those with listening ears that in his prophetic scheme he considered a thousand years as one day and one day as a thousand years. You and I don't try that for ourselves because our life cycle is way too short and it would not work out for us.

So there are three of God's days left after his resurrection from the dead. There is going to be a one thousand year God day as the sabbath rest day for the world so that leaves two days for him to demonstrate his grace to the whole world and wouldn't you know, two thousand years have nearly passed already and we will all be finding out very soon who is telling the truth because if I am right,(and I am) Jesus Christ will be coming in the clouds very soon now for his bride and take her to the Father's house sorta like the unnamed servant in Ge 24 brought Isaac's bride Rebekah to Isaac and he came out to meet and fetch her and took her to Abraham's tent.

Peter never said that in God’s “prophetic scheme”, one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.

Peter simply remarked on how what may seem to men like a long delay in fulfilling a promise is not that long to God.

There is no justification for making a biblical numerology formula that in prophecy one day means a thousand years.

“A thousand years” is just a figure of speech meaning a long time. Like in Psalm 50:10 it says:

For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

This “thousand hills” is a figure of speech meaning a lot of hills, or better, on all hills.

Note that this verse below says one day is as a thousand years, not one day equals a thousand years.

I Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[percho]

Peter never said that in God’s “prophetic scheme”, one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.

Peter simply remarked on how what may seem to men like a long delay in fulfilling a promise is not that long to God.

There is no justification for making a biblical numerology formula that in prophecy one day means a thousand years.

“A thousand years” is just a figure of speech meaning a long time. Like in Psalm 50:10 it says:

For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

This “thousand hills” is a figure of speech meaning a lot of hills, or better, on all hills.

Note that this verse below says one day is as a thousand years, not one day equals a thousand years.

I Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
and each [made alive] in his proper order, [1] a first-fruit Christ, -------------------Took place around two thousand years ago.
afterwards [2] those who are the Christ's, in his presence, --------------------------Still future as it says, when he is present again

Yet all will be made alive

then -- the end,---------------------------------------------------------------------------of the dead being made alive.
when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power -- for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet -- the last enemy is done away -- death;


The next verses speaks of the reign of a kingdom, by Christ and he must reign until all enemies have been subjected and the last enemy to be subjected is, death, that is the ones who were not made alive, in his presence. This must take place before the kingdom [reign] is delivered up to God [the Father] Now it is not stated in 1 Cor 15 but I ask; How long is this reign after the presence of Christ and those who are his are made alive to put all enemies under subjection before the last enemy, is subjected, death?

Other references.

'Wonder not at this, because there doth come an hour in which all those in the tombs shall hear his voice, and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a rising again of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment.

having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;

How long will Christ reign before those not made alive in his presence will be made alive? Who will reign with him? For how long?

What will happen after the above?

 

[David Lamb]

Peter never said that in God’s “prophetic scheme”, one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.

Peter simply remarked on how what may seem to men like a long delay in fulfilling a promise is not that long to God.

There is no justification for making a biblical numerology formula that in prophecy one day means a thousand years.

“A thousand years” is just a figure of speech meaning a long time. Like in Psalm 50:10 it says:

For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

This “thousand hills” is a figure of speech meaning a lot of hills, or better, on all hills.

Note that this verse below says one day is as a thousand years, not one day equals a thousand years.

I Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

I agree. Peter included that little word "as" (well, the Greek equivalent). He certainly did not write: "One day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.":

(2Pe 3:8 NKJV) But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[JD731]

Peter never said that in God’s “prophetic scheme”, one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.

Peter simply remarked on how what may seem to men like a long delay in fulfilling a promise is not that long to God.

There is no justification for making a biblical numerology formula that in prophecy one day means a thousand years.

“A thousand years” is just a figure of speech meaning a long time. Like in Psalm 50:10 it says:

For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

This “thousand hills” is a figure of speech meaning a lot of hills, or better, on all hills.

Note that this verse below says one day is as a thousand years, not one day equals a thousand years.

I Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Of course, AsceticX, I would not want to convince you against your will. But I will say that God has as one of the most important doctrines in his whole Bible that incorporates this formula, the "day of the Lord." This is a prophetic theme appearing in the scriptures a total of 30 times over a period of some 800 years. It appears in this format, "day of the Lord" in the writings of 12 Bible authors and in 15 books (some authors wrote more than one book, i. e. Jeremiah/lamentations). In every instance, without exception, it is in the future tense. Prophets in both testaments spoke of it. In it's initial application it begins as a dark day with no light. It is a day of vengeance of God upon angels and men. It is a time of the absence of God upon the earth. It is time of his wrath and the purging of sin by purging sinners from the earth. It is the beginning of the 7th one thousand year days of God on the earth and it is his sabbath when the morning breaks. It follows the pattern of a Jewish day, the evening and the morning is the 7th day.
There is a broader prophetic application to this day where more information is given, often time, what the day will be like after the wrath is over. This information is determined by the phase "in that day."

Let me give you an example of that;

Isaiah 2:12
For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isaiah 2:20
In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isaiah 5:30
And in that day they shall roar against them like the roaring of the sea: and if one look unto the land, behold darkness and sorrow, and the light is darkened in the heavens thereof.
That happens during the night.

Here is what happens during the day.

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: (this is Jesus Christ)
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

This must happen if he is to reign the world in righteousness.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Only God would know these things are out there in the future. They for sure have never happened in the past. Give me some advice from your view of scripture. Should we believe the words that are written in Isa 11 or are you wanting those you teach to see these words as figurative only and without any kind of literal meaning?

The day of the Lord comes. It is the same day as the day of wrath from the Lord. It is finally present tense.

Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

It is 1260 days long.

If we do not accept God's formula for a day we will never have sound doctrine on the end times.

 

[kyredneck]

For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isaiah 2:20
In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
Isaiah 5:30
And in that day they shall roar against them like the roaring of the sea: and if one look unto the land, behold darkness and sorrow, and the light is darkened in the heavens thereof.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left,

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Revelation Chapter 1

10​	I was in the Spirit on the Lord`s day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

 

[JD731]

Revelation Chapter 1

10​	I was in the Spirit on the Lord`s day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

ky, none of what I am telling you is necessarily true if you have a different English translation than my KJV. The numbers will not match up. This will not matter one way or the other if God is unconcerned about his numbers and if they are in no way connected to his method of revealing his truths to saved men while at the same time hiding them from the unwashed. However, if God does have a numbering structure that is violated by changing it then those careless people who casually and arrogantly do it is in serious trouble if you ask me.

Having said that, your posting a single verse with no explanation of your theological meaning for it is not a unique feature belonging to you on this forum.

 

[Ascetic X]

So if “God’s formula for a day” is a day = 1,000 years, to apply this erroneous fabrication to Genesis chapter 1, they who practice biblical numerology would have to say it took 6,000 years to create the universe, which is absurd.

A day is not 1,000 years in the “prophetic scheme”. This false teaching is promoted by people who want predict when Christ will return, and other events.

 

[percho]

Is my post 32 correct relative to the order of humans being made alive out of the death that they die in Adam taken from 1 Cor 15?
Was Christ the first to be made alive out of the death?
In his presence and or at his coming will it be only those who are of Christ who will be made alive out of the death, in Adam.

Is there then a reign of a kingdom in which all enemies will be put under the feet of Christ with, the death, being the last enemy put under his feet?

How does that take place? Who has not been made alive out of the death in Adam? How much time has passed since Christ coming, his presence and the beginning of the putting of all enemies under his feet unto the putting of the last enemy, the death, under his feet?

IMHO that is the day of the LORD, one day with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day;

 

[JD731]

So if “God’s formula for a day” is a day = 1,000 years, to apply this erroneous fabrication to Genesis chapter 1, they who practice biblical numerology would have to say it took 6,000 years to create the universe, which is absurd.

A day is not 1,000 years in the “prophetic scheme”. This false teaching is promoted by people who want predict when Christ will return, and other events.

God has simply taken something that is common to men and used it as a pattern for a greater truth so we can understand him. I think that is wisdom. He surely isn't constrained by time but we are. So God uses the pattern in our realm to prefigure his work.

So, here is an example of both a week of 24 hour days as we see a week and one of a thousand year days as God sees a week of thousand year days.

The context is the kingdom of Jesus Christ.

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Reading on we see that he is going to show Peter, James, and John the kingdom of God physically. That is what seeing it means. He wants to show them the kingdom of God. He wants them to experience it.

Here is what Mark says:

2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

What is the day after the 6th day for men? We call it Saturday now but they called it the 7th day. They also called it the Sabbath. God also called it the :day of the Lord in all his prophetic books. God said men ought to work 6 days and rest on the sabbath. That is what he did in his work of redemption. He worked 6 days and he finished the work and Jesus even said "it is finished." On the seventh day Jesus rested in the tomb the whole day.

They went upon a very high mountain. A mountain in scripture symbolism is a kingdom. the higher the mountain the greater the kingdom. Then Jesus was transfigured in their presence. He is described as he will be when he is glorified. The 3 apostles were there representing the church in this kingdom and they were enveloped in the cloud, representing the Holy Spirit in his relationship to the church in this kingdom of God. Moses and Elijah were there representing the OT saints and the tribulation saints who were resurrected from the dead. All those saints would hold positions at the top of the mountain. At the foot of the mountain were the nations walking in the light of the shining and glorious person of Jesus Christ. All three members of the Godhead were represented in the kingdom, Jesus transfigured, the Holy Spirit, the cloud, and the voice of God the Father who gave Jesus his authority.

This is what Jesus showed these men and he said it was the kingdom in it's power that they saw. I already know it does not matter to some what Jesus says, In this way the 3 apostles were eye witnesses of the kingdom of God and reported it to us so we can believe in the physical and earthly kingdom of God with it's divisions and splendor.

This kingdom of God is going to be visible on the earth during the 7th day of the week of thousand year days of God and he clearly says so.

Re 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire

 

[Marooncat79]

Peter refers to priesthood of believers as "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."

Being both the uncircumcised gentile and the Israel of God.

Which is almost exactly what Moses wrote