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Why do people think that Baptists came from AnaBaptists?
- Thread starter Salty
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Where's that found in scripture?
I've abundantly quoted scripture, you, zilch. So RCC believes this?:
"The 'heart change' which instills 'the golden rule' in his redeemed and brings about faith in Christ must occur BEFORE anything else."
RCC holds to regeneration BEFORE faith? I think not.
timtofly
Well-Known Member
Is that a new denomination?
Because John Smyth was partially influenced by the Dutch Mennonites, having come out of Anglicanism, but split with the Dutch Mennonites later to help found Baptist thought.
I do not understand why Baptists are not seen as a brand of the Radical Reformers distinct from but similar to the Anabaptists. The Baptists can be called Radical Reformers due to a rejection of infant baptism alone. Rejecting infant baptism got you killed and persecuted during the Reformation. Certainly the established State Churches would claim Baptists as Radicals for arguing with something that challenged their vaunted notions of Christendom.
I'm not arguing we are the same, we are different and rightfully so. I hate pacifism and works righteousness over grace through faith with works naturally coming due to faith. That said, our beliefs as Baptists would get us lumped in with the Radicals for rejecting the practices of the state churches. I hope I explained myself.
Mikey
Active Member
I think the article is too simplistic, Anabaptists were not unified in their theology but were generlly grouped together by opponants in their belief in believers baptism (their name was even given to them). The article states that anabaptists were pacifcist, this is not entirely true, some were some weren't.
It does seem to be a relatively recent trend to associate Baptists to Anabaptists, whilst in the less recent past Baptists were associated with coming out of the english reformation (anglican) as it did not go far enough. Thus the second/radical reformation began.
Mikey
Active Member
How are we justified then? by works?
and neither are modern day Baptists!
Mikey
Active Member
Sadly yes. saying you're Baptist today tells people nothing except that you don't baptise infants (and probably not evan that
)However i think there is a difference between a group that is not united (being only grouped together by others) and a once united group which has now splintered.
Mikey
Active Member
I take it you never bothered to check the scripture references provided.
So are you saying that the Bible contradicts itself - when put next to Eph 2:8-9
Mikey
Active Member
I did. And it sounds like you are saying we are justified by works.
timtofly
Well-Known Member
Baptism is not a claim against infant baptism. That would be works of the parents, or priest, giving humans a false salvation, or hope of....Sadly yes. saying you're Baptist today tells people nothing except that you don't baptise infants (and probably not evan that
However i think there is a difference between a group that is not united (being only grouped together by others) and a once united group which has now splintered.
Infant baptism tells humans in uncertain terms, free will does not exist, and infant baptism is the deception of the RC and all who practice the heresy. Calvanism is the same deception of the Reformed. Those who think they are saved are more than likely not, because their mind and reasoning prove otherwise. There is no free will, and no choice in one's salvation, even worse than infant baptism.
Baptism is just immersion in water like John the Baptist did. Being a Baptist has never changed since John the Baptist.
Church of Christ do not even use the name Baptist, and baptism to them is a means of salvation just like infant baptism, except it is a personal choice, that has to be made and forced. That is still wrong and not Baptist. One must first come to a realization of salvation. Then in obedience like Christ, baptism is a symbolic act, not a redemptive act.
Baptist can never be a religion nor should it be a denomination. Local churches were set up independent, because they were exact copies of, not an extension of another local church. The body of Christ is individual believers. Not a church, denomination, nor religion. A local church is for all the neccessary church needs: fellowship, teaching, discipleship, and reproof. The church is not a bastion of knowledge like doctrine and theology. The Gospel is simple, not hard to understand, and definitely not elaborate.
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