Why Do The Elect Need to Be Persuaded?

[canadyjd]

Oh I do not think God has to be fair, as some want to have it. But and this is what I think calvinists miss, God has to be JUST. And because God is just He deals with all on a level playing field. Remember we are all sinners and none of us deserve salvation but it is available to all.

For us that have the opportunity to hear the gospel many think that is the only way that someone can be saved but I do not think it is wise to limit what God can do. Many that live in closed countries have been saved having never heard the gospel message.

When you say the my logic would lead grace to be unfair. Me thinks you are missing something there Dave. It is the calvinist logic that God only gives "irresistible grace" to a select few. So it is the calvinist theology that would make God unfair. The non-calvinist view is that Gods' grace is given to all through the convicting of the Holy Spirit.

If you question what I have just said think about this.
Paul said "For by grace you have been saved" so if it is only through Gods' grace that we can be saved and if God only gives that grace to a select few {Calvinist irresistible grace} and then says well because you did not get that grace then you can not be saved.
So which view do you think makes God "fair" calvinist or non-calvinist.

What you write is not true

peace to you

 

[37818]

Many that live in closed countries have been saved having never heard the gospel message.

Where does that idea come from?

 

[JonC]

The elect don't need persuading. They already believe.

 

[AustinC]

@Silverhair wrote:

Many that live in closed countries have been saved having never heard the gospel message.

Shall we ignore Romans 10:13-15?

For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!”

You have already been shown Romans 1, which clearly states that no one comes to faith in Christ Jesus via observing God's creation.

Therefore, the gospel must be shared and heard if anyone is to believe.
Silverhair, you have misspoke. Your assertion is false.