Why I am not a Calvinist.. the ACTUAL topic of this thread

Well , Paul did not believe what Augustine did on the atonement, which is clearly heretical. I quoted Calvin because he is honest in his understanding of the three verses I gave, and shows that he never believed or taught the "L" in TULIP. As you say you are a "Calvinist" and have his books, surely you must to some degree follow his teachings?

 

You have just described what Calvinists do. Interesting, that the Church till Augustine did not believe in any of the 5 points!

 

Well, the Apostle Paul believed and recorded them down to us in the inspired Epistles!

 

John 6:70, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” Judas, like the other 11, was also "ἐκλέγω" by Jesus Christ, even though he would later betray the Lord.

 

what? you mean Paul taught the "Ransom Theory" of the Atonement, that in the end, even the devil will be saved? You must have a special edition of Paul's Letters!

 

Jesus chose Judas to be the one to fulfill the scriptures that of His own would betray him, did not mean Judas ever was meant to get saved!

 

Still called Judas "chosen"

 

Of course I can translate it, but that was never the issue, was it. The issue at hand is the claim you made about the KJV supporting Calvinism.

So what is it that is at issue between the translation and the original?

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Charles Ellicott (RV chair, parent version of RSV)

"The Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.—Many of the better MSS. omit the words “to the Church,” and connect “together,” which in the Greek is the first word in Act_3:1, with this verse—The Lord added together . . . The verb “added” is in the tense which, like the adverb “daily,” implies a continually recurring act. “The Lord” is probably used here, as in Act_2:39, in its generic Old Testament sense, rather than as definitely applied to Christ. For “such as should be saved”—a meaning which the present participle passive cannot possibly have—read, those that were in the way of salvation; literally, those that were being saved, as in 1Co_1:18; 2Co_2:15. The verse takes its place among the few passages in which the translators have, perhaps, been influenced by a Calvinistic bias; Heb_10:38, “if any man draw back,” instead of “if he draw back,” being another. It should, however, be stated in fairness that all the versions from Tyndale onward, including the Rhemish, give the same rendering. Wiclif alone gives nearly the true meaning, “them that were made safe.”

 

Calvin is useful to me only insofar as he points me to the text of scripture.

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when he agrees with you?

 

I rarely read him, so.... He is neither inspired nor infallible, so I couldn’t care less if he agrees with me or I him.

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We are back to Luke 22 and the Lord's Supper which Judas took part in, and Jesus says to Him and the 11, This is My blood shed for YOU. Can't escape this fact, which even John Gill and Matthew Henry, both Calvinists, admit!

 

A T Robertson

"That betrayeth (tou paradidontos). Present active participle, actually engaged in doing it. The hand of Judas was resting on the table at the moment. It should be noted that Luke narrates the institution of the Lord's Supper before the exposure of Judas as the traitor while Mark and Matthew reverse this order. "

Matthew Henry

"By placing this after the institution of the Lord's supper, though in Matthew and Mark it is placed before it, it seems plain that Judas did receive the Lord's supper, did eat of that bread and drink of that cup; for, after the solemnity was over, Christ said, Behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table

John Gill

"with me on the table; and is an aggravation of his sin, that one that sat with him at his table, ate bread with him, and dipped his morsel in the same dish, should be the betrayer of him, according to the prophecy in Ps 41:9 as well as describes and points at the person that should do this action, even one of his disciples; for which disciples, he had just now said, his body is given, and his blood is shed. The phrase, "with me", is left out in the Syriac and Persic versions. From Luke's account it appears most clearly, that Judas was not only at the passover, but at the Lord's supper, since this was said when both were over."

 

Luke 22:19-21
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.