Featured Why is it such a big deal?

And folks here call my views unorthodox? You got me beat by miles.

The scriptures clearly show that no one is "in Christ" until they believe in time.

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

No one is in Christ until they believe in time, therefore God could only choose us "in him" according or dependent on his foreknowledge as 1 Pet 1:2 says. God could foresee our future faith and chose us through "belief in the truth" as 2 The 2:13 says.

 

No, your views are quite natural.

 

Well, what is natural for one person may not be for another.

 

Winman

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You are unable to comprehend...sorry

I can no longer read your unbiblical posting as it can only defile and destroy brain cells. maybe at another time you will be allowed to welcome truth.

You just cannot be taken seriously I cannot walk you by the hand through every verse as you really have no desire for truth.

 

Yes indeed:wavey::wavey::wavey:

 

SW......just jump in and ask specific questions....we will respond.

or start a thread for cals only...or non cals only then ask the same question in each thread

 

Guess that he sees God has having jesus die for sinners, and that at best He provides a possible salvation, and that God waits and hopes that some sinners make the right choice to accept jesus, so that his death was not in vain on their behalf!

 

Intellectually dishonest characterizations like this are not helpful.

 

No disrespect intended here, but how isn't the non Cal view simply that God provided the means to have all saved, but that he cannot save any sinner until/unless they allow Him to do that thru their free will?

 

'Intellectually dishonest'. What number is that on your list of knee jerk quips?

Better yet, what exactly does 'intellectually dishonest' mean?

 

More intellectual dishonesty. No one has said God cannot. Since God chose to do things that we the phrase "He cannot save any sinner until/unless they allow Him to do that thru their free will?" is pure fiction and completely dishonest intellectually.

It is a childish characterization meant only to demonize an opposing view.

 

I'm thinking this is you insidiously calling someone a liar.

 

The Lord, in your view, will not save a sinner unless they desire him to save them, by free will choosing jesus, correct?

 

There is a vast difference between will not and can not and I assume you smart enough to know that.

 

Your inability to see the doctrine of man's inability is something you cannot spiritually understand.