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Why The RCC Is A Cult
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A blessed Easter to you. I can say that even though we have some strong disagreements.
I did not start this thread. If I started it I would have given it the title, 'Why the RCC is anti-Christ'.
And the main reason is acting out presently culminating in this coming weekend.
Have a blessed Holy Week, Lakeside!
I will also be praying for Gerhard. Anyone so filled with hatred is in need of a changed heart. Only the Lord will bring that about. Most on this board disagree with Catholics on doctrinal matters without the name calling and nasty posts that we observe from GE. It's a very poor witness to unbelievers who are following these threads.
Bigger question would be why does the church of rome claim to be THE true one here on earth, and yet denies Pauline justification, and the true Gospel message?
You have a flawed understanding of Pauline justification.
He did not hold to sacramental Gracing by sacreaments, nor to one having to "co operate" with God in order to get saved, and he taught us grave alone/faith alone. so would say the Church of Rome fails to understand paul!
You know, Yeshua, Paul was a member of the Church of Rome. Acts 28:30. Iranaeus of Lyons says that he and Peter were its faithful leaders at the time of their death. Paul, like all the other apostles were Catholics. They were members of the very church that you and others here love to denounce as heretical. When you call the Roman Catholic Church heretical you are calling all the apostles heretical. It is the church that Jesus founded and left here to teach and care for the faithful. Since the New Testament was written by Catholics and preserved by Catholics for the first 1,500 years of Christianity, it is safe to say that they have a full and complete understanding of it.
Like I said, you have a flawed understanding of Pauline justification.
Like I said, you have a flawed understanding of Pauline justification.
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Unfortunately, that is not provable by history and in fact history disproves it. There was no RCC of which Paul was a member. That is simply a myth.
So, is this the "church" that Jesus founded?:
"Catholic reaction and response
Seen by the Roman Catholic Church as unorthodox, the Waldensians were formally declared heretics by Pope Lucius III in 1184 at the Synod of Verona, and by Pope Innocent III during the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215. In 1211 more than 80 Waldensians were burned as heretics at Strasbourg, beginning several centuries of persecution that nearly destroyed the movement. Part of their legacy is recognized as works of the writer Henri Arnaud (1641-1721). The Waldensian Church of Italy has survived to the present day.
1487 order of extermination
In 1487 Pope Innocent VIII issued a bull for the extermination of the Vaudois. Alberto de' Capitanei, archdeacon of Cremona, responded to the bull by organizing a crusade to complete the process and launched an offensive in the provinces of Dauphiné and Piedmont. Charles I, Duke of Savoy, eventually interfered to save his territories from further confusion and promised the Vaudois peace. But the offensive had devastated the area, and many of the Vaudois fled to Provence and to southern Italy.
Piedmont Easter
In January 1655, the Duke of Savoy commanded the Waldensians to attend Mass or remove to the upper valleys of their homeland, giving them twenty days in which to sell their lands. Being in the midst of winter, the order, of course, was intended to persuade the Vaudois to choose the former; however, the bulk of the populace instead chose the latter, abandoning their homes and lands in the lower valleys and removing to the upper valleys. It was written that these targets of persecution, including old men, women, little children and the sick "waded through the icy waters, climbed the frozen peaks, and at length reached the homes of their impoverished brethren of the upper Valleys, where they were warmly received."
By mid-April, when it became clear that the Duke's efforts to force the Vaudois to conform to Catholicism had failed, he tried another approach. Under the guise of false reports of Vaudois uprisings, the Duke sent troops into the upper valleys to quell the local populace. He required that the local populace quarter the troops in their homes, which the local populace complied with. But the quartering order was a ruse to allow the troops easy access to the populace. On 24 April 1655, at 4 a.m., the signal was given for a general massacre.
The Catholic forces did not simply slaughter the inhabitants. They are reported to have unleashed an unprovoked campaign of looting, rape, torture, and murder. According to one report by a Peter Liegé:
Little children were torn from the arms of their mothers, clasped by their tiny feet, and their heads dashed against the rocks; or were held between two soldiers and their quivering limbs torn up by main force. Their mangled bodies were then thrown on the highways or fields, to be devoured by beasts. The sick and the aged were burned alive in their dwellings. Some had their hands and arms and legs lopped off, and fire applied to the severed parts to staunch the bleeding and prolong their suffering. Some were flayed alive, some were roasted alive, some disemboweled; or tied to trees in their own orchards, and their hearts cut out. Some were horribly mutilated, and of others the brains were boiled and eaten by these cannibals. Some were fastened down into the furrows of their own fields, and ploughed into the soil as men plough manure into it. Others were buried alive. Fathers were marched to death with the heads of their sons suspended round their necks. Parents were compelled to look on while their children were first outraged [raped], then massacred, before being themselves permitted to die.
This massacre became known as the Piedmont Easter. An estimate of some 1,700 Waldensians were slaughtered; the massacre was so brutal it aroused indignation throughout Europe. Protestant rulers in northern Europe offered sanctuary to the remaining Waldensians. Oliver Cromwell, then ruler in England, began petitioning on behalf of the Waldensians; writing letters, raising contributions, calling a general fast in England and threatening to send military forces to the rescue. (The massacre prompted John Milton's famous poem on the Waldenses, "On the Late Massacre in Piedmont".) Swiss and Dutch Calvinists set up an 'underground railroad' to bring many of the survivors north to Switzerland and even as far as the Dutch Republic, where the councillors of the city of Amsterdam chartered three ships to take some 167 Waldensians to their City Colony in the New World (Delaware) on Christmas Day 1656. Those that stayed behind in France and the Piedmont formed a guerilla resistance movement led by a farmer, Joshua Janavel, which lasted into the 1660s."
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To post something like this is to post outright lies. We know better. We have reliable information. We have the inspired Word itself which tells us better.
The last letter, the last book that Paul ever wrote was his second epistle to Timothy.
2Ti 4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
--His first "defense" before Nero, he stood alone. He would soon stand again before Nero to be judged, at which time he would be found guilty and suffer martyrdom.
Even the postscript of some Bibles say:
Not history. RCC tradition holds to that. Not history. History says Peter was an Apostle. Not the head of the church. James gave the ruling on the application of the law on the gentiles. Peter made a statement, but James made the decision. Paul got in the face Peter, for hipocrisy in Galatians. That would have be insulant if Peter was the head of the church. Peter never claimed authority over the other apostles. Apostolic authority, outside of Judas Iscariot, was never passed down. The authority, Peter, Paul, John.....whatever Apostle we are talking about .....the authority was never passed to anyone else.
True history holds that the only reason that Peter was ever in Rome was to be martyred. He wasn't there for any length of time. He was never there as a pastor/bishop or in any place of authority but a prisoner to die.
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