Why The RCC Is A Cult

[Zenas]

I don't believe for one minute that the Apostle Paul was a catholic or universalist. Or Peter either for that matter. They both taught salvation by Grace even if Paul did have to take Peter to the woodshed to convince him!

OldRegular, you really out to keep a dictionary next to your computer when you write this drivel. A universalist is someone that believes everyone will be saved, not just the so called elect. A Catholic, on the other hand, is a member of the universal church founded by Jesus Christ.

At this point I will clue you in on a little secret, well known by Catholics but deliberately misunderstood by Calvinists and other Catholic detractors. Here it is and I am going to put it in bold letters: Catholics teach salvation by grace.

Jesus Christ did not found a Cult

No He did not. He founded the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the only church that that has continued unbroken for 2000 years, bruised here and there but not broken. "Upon this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it."

If they of the RCC understood the Bible there would be no pope, no bloody eucharist, no teaching magisterium, no worship of Mary or those called Saints, no penance, no unmarried priesthood, no replacing the teaching of the Bible with the teachings of the pope and "teaching magisterium". There would have been no RCCult, no Crusades, no slaughter of those who would not worship the pope, no Inquisition, no forced conversions as does Islam.

But they do understand the Bible and here is the key. The Bible does not teach that it is the exclusive authority on faith and morals. The teaching of the faith is the responsibility of the Church. Jesus didn't tell his apostles to write a book (Revelation excepted), He told them go out and teach and baptize. Paul told the recipients of his letters to obey not just what he wrote but the traditions he had taught them. 1 Corinthians 11:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Paul also taught that the pillar and support of the truth was the church, not the Bible. 1 Timothy 3:15.

I am not putting the Bible down, I am just pointing out that tradition is also authoritative. However, you won't find a single Catholic teaching that is in opposition to the Bible.

I realize that is hard for you to grasp, probably impossible because you are an angry person. It was hard for me as well and I would never have looked beyond the walls of the Baptist church except there were some things that just didn't seem right and the older I got the less right they seemed. When I did look beyond those walls it was shocking and a little frightening. But the more I studied the more I realized that they (the Catholics) are right we (the Baptists) are less right.

 

[OldRegular]

OldRegular, you really out to keep a dictionary next to your computer when you write this drivel. A universalist is someone that believes everyone will be saved, not just the so called elect. A Catholic, on the other hand, is a member of the universal church founded by Jesus Christ.

So a universalist is a member of the universal church. Or is it the other way around. Actually I read part of a book by John Paul. Seemed he could not make up his mind whether all would be saved or only those of Rome.

At this point I will clue you in on a little secret, well known by Catholics but deliberately misunderstood by Calvinists and other Catholic detractors. Here it is and I am going to put it in bold letters: Catholics teach salvation by grace.

That is bull! Grace is unmerited favor. The RCCult teaches a word based salvation and that is the truth.

No He did not. He founded the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the only church that that has continued unbroken for 2000 years, bruised here and there but not broken. "Upon this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it."

Jesus Christ did not found the abomination called Roman Catholicism. He did not build his Church on one man, Peter, whom the apostle Paul had to chasten. I repeat from an earlier post:

Your problem is you are deluded into believing that what some call the Church of Rome is the Church that Jesus Christ established. The Church of Rome really does not exist. Instead it is a cult, really a secular state, built upon the false teaching of the papacy and the teaching magisterium. This Roman cult has adopted many of the characteristics of the Levitical priesthood and corrupted them by substituting the continual sacrificial offering of the blood and body of Jesus Christ rather than the Levitical offering of certain animals. Schaff was prophetic when he said [Volume 2, page 73, Schaff's History of the Christian Church]:

With Constantine, therefore, the last of the heathen, the first of the Christian, emperors, a new period begins. The church ascends the throne of the Caesars under the banner of the once despised, now honored and triumphant cross, and gives new vigor and lustre to the hoary empire of Rome.

You start with the false teaching that the pope is the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth. Have you ever read of some of the men that served as pope. These popes would better be described as the Vicar of Satan on earth.

But they do understand the Bible and here is the key. The Bible does not teach that it is the exclusive authority on faith and morals. The teaching of the faith is the responsibility of the Church. Jesus didn't tell his apostles to write a book (Revelation excepted), He told them go out and teach and baptize. Paul told the recipients of his letters to obey not just what he wrote but the traditions he had taught them. 1 Corinthians 11:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Paul also taught that the pillar and support of the truth was the church, not the Bible. 1 Timothy 3:15.

1. A cult that teaches as truth that which is contrary to Scripture cannot be a Church, the Body of Jesus Christ, for which he died.
2. A cult that for hundreds of years murdered those who dissented from the Roman cult cannot be a Church, the Body of Jesus Christ, for which he died.
3. A cult that continually sacrifices Jesus Christ cannot be a Church for which Jesus Christ himself died, once and for all time.

Hebrews 9:23-26
23. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26. For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The Roman cult has Jesus Christ suffering continually, each time a cult member participates in the mass. That is blasphemous and nothing you say can change that truth.

4. A cult that replaces Jesus Christ as head of the Church cannot the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

5. A cult that declares a human is the Mother of God cannot be the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

6. A cult that venerates and worships another human, Mary, cannot be the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

6. A cult that teaches man can only be saved by works cannot be the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

7. A cult that introduces purgatory cannot be the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

Hebrews 9:27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

8. A cult that worships at the feet of a man called the pope cannot be the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

9. A cult that has historically called pagans and degenerates the vicar of Jesus Christ cannot be the Church for which Jesus Christ died!

10. And there is so much more!

I am not putting the Bible down, I am just pointing out that tradition is also authoritative.

That is where you are totally wrong!

However, you won't find a single Catholic teaching that is in opposition to the Bible.

I just listed 8 or 9 above.

I realize that is hard for you to grasp, probably impossible because you are an angry person.

That is where you are wrong again. I simply put the RCCult in the same class of cults as the Word of Faith heretics, the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses!

It was hard for me as well and I would never have looked beyond the walls of the Baptist church except there were some things that just didn't seem right and the older I got the less right they seemed. When I did look beyond those walls it was shocking and a little frightening. But the more I studied the more I realized that they (the Catholics) are right we (the Baptists) are less right.

You are associated with a cult and that is the truth. There was a time in history when what you call the Universal or Catholic Church were slaughtering dissidents from Rome just as Islam did and as Radical Islam is doing now.

You would do well to study the Holy Roman Empire the union of Roman Catholicism and the secular state. You would do well to study the history of the Inquisition. Then read the following post!

 

[OldRegular]

I have read other sources regarding the slaughter of the Albigensian Christians and the French Protestant Huguenots listed below. I have also read from other sources the events that took place in Croatia and Serbia! But even if only 10% of the remainder were true it proves that Roman Catholicism is not the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

From: http://rekindlingthereformation.com/RtR-Articles-Papal-Rome-Timeline

The Bloody History of Papal Rome - A Timeline
In 1940, French statesman Baron DePonnat stated “Roman Catholicism was born in blood, has wallowed in blood, and has quenched its thirst in blood, and it is in letters of blood that its true history is written.” Indeed, the history of papal Rome has been one of brutal torture, slaughter, and mass murder. The below list provides a sampling of papal Rome’s bloody history.

1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany.

1098 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.

1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem.

1208 – 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France on July 22,

1209. Both Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their “crusade,” almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed.

1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.

1243 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).

1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany.
April 26, 1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany.

1348 – 1349 The Jews are blamed for the bubonic plague. Author Dave Hunt tells us, “Accused of causing the ‘Black Death’ Jews were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge.”
1389 Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.

1481 – 1483 At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.

1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.

1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.

1553 – 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.

1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.

1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.

1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.

1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.
Circa 1938 – 1945 Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.

1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.
Compiled by Darryl Eberhart.

I have read from other sources the events that took place in Croatia and Serbia!

 

[Eliyahu]

:thumbs:

I have read other sources regarding the slaughter of the Albigensian Christians and the French Protestant Huguenots listed below. I have also read from other sources the events that took place in Croatia and Serbia! But even if only 10% of the remainder were true it proves that Roman Catholicism is not the Church for which Jesus Christ died.

From: http://rekindlingthereformation.com/RtR-Articles-Papal-Rome-Timeline



I have read from other sources the events that took place in Croatia and Serbia!

Excellent!

God Bless you richly! :thumbs:


Eliyahu

 

[Melanie]

1. Lateran IV condones the "extermination" of heretics and Jews.
2. "Doctrine of Discovery" for the murder of indigenous populations that don't convert.
3. Clement XIV abolishes forever the Jesuit order in the 1700's. around 1773.

......and here we are today with a Jesuit pope! Weird eh!

 

[OldRegular]

......and here we are today with a Jesuit pope! Weird eh!

Weird!! Yes indeed! However, the entire concept of the secular/religious cult called Roman Catholicism is more tragic than weird. It is a perverted aberration of the true Church for which Jesus Christ died, a called out people who were saved eternally simply through their faith in Him.

The RCCult is a melding of the residue of the Roman Empire with certain Apostolic churches of the 3rd and 4th centuries. Just as the Roman Empire was a manifestation of the beast of Revelation and persecutor of the early Church, the RCCult is a new manifestation of both the beast and the false prophet of Revelation, a secular/religious manifestation that persecuted and slaughtered those who dissented from the perversion of the Gospel by the RCC. Tragic indeed!

 

[lakeside]

Tragic indeed, You non-Catholics usually contend that all Christians belong to Christ's holy catholic church, whether they are members of a denomination or not. So it may well be that one church is as good as another. Certainly few Protestants would believe that any church has God's authority to teach men what they must believe or how they must live. You say Bible Alone is all that is necessary for salvation, but nowhere does Jesus ever say those words. The only indicator mentioned in the bible are 2nd Thess.2: 15, both Holy Apostolic Teaching and the Holy Bible are necessary for the "Fullness of Christ's Christian Faith".

God never intended that the Bible alone should be the guide to salvation, read 2nd. Peter 1: 20. Jesus left us first with His Church [ formed on His Apostles ]Luke 10:16 and Matt.16:16-18, 28:18-20.

Before Jesus left us He made sure that His Teaching would be understood and applied correctly 1st Timothy 3: 14

 

[OldRegular]

You have cherry picked the quotes you want to emphasize, which you know is always misleading because you have taken them out of context. But we all do that sometimes so I will give you a pass on that.

I don't need a pass from you on what I present on this Forum. I simply use the teachings of the RCCult to show their devilish perversion of the Bible.

However, the crazy talk is yours, not what you are quoting, and when you say the Catholic Church is derived from the pagan Roman Empire you either make yourself a fool or a liar.

The truth is painful is it not!

Your brand of Christianity, which regards men as puppets on God's string, is a religious system.

You have displayed your ignorance by departing from the faith and embracing a cult. Don't show your behind, make an ass of yourself, in public!

If you would bother to really study Catholicism rather than looking for ways to attack it (which you're not very good at), your would realize it makes more sense than anything you have ever considered.

I had a friend who was a Roman Catholic because he married one. i never once doubted that he was a Child of God. He died. I went to his "wake" I guess some would call it. There were a large number of people there who were not RCCult members. I sat between two dear RCC ladies. The priest would say something then the Hail Mary's would start, endlessly repeated. Sounded almost like a gathering of Buddhist monks chanting: ummm, ummm, ummm.

Where is the Biblical justification for the worship of Mary. There is none! It is a lie created by the popes and teaching magisterium and can only be credited to Satan.

The Church teaches that the Pope is infallible, not that he is impeccable. There is no dogma, no council, nothing in the Catechism that implies all popes go to heaven.

And this is perhaps the most disgusting teaching of the RCCult and proof that it is a cult. You admit and history shows that some of those who were anointed popes were pagan and perverted. Yet you believe and teach that these "GOATS" were the Vicar, the voice, of Jesus Christ on earth.

Sport you stand condemned as a cult member by your own words. And the condemnation is worse since you were exposed to the truth at one time!

 

[Zenas]

Weird!! Yes indeed! However, the entire concept of the secular/religious cult called Roman Catholicism is more tragic than weird. It is a perverted aberration of the true Church for which Jesus Christ died, a called out people who were saved eternally simply through their faith in Him.

The RCCult is a melding of the residue of the Roman Empire with certain Apostolic churches of the 3rd and 4th centuries. Just as the Roman Empire was a manifestation of the beast of Revelation and persecutor of the early Church, the RCCult is a new manifestation of both the beast and the false prophet of Revelation, a secular/religious manifestation that persecuted and slaughtered those who dissented from the perversion of the Gospel by the RCC. Tragic indeed!

OldRegular, you seem to be getting your information from sources outside the Catholic Church. Indeed most of them are hostile to the OHCAC. If you were seeking information about the Baptist Church would you seek it among the Mormons? If you were seeking to learn about plumbing would ask an electrician? Go to the source and learn the truth. Otherwise your words will resemble "Life" in Shakespeare's Macbeth: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

 

[OldRegular]

You say Bible Alone is all that is necessary for salvation, but nowhere does Jesus ever say those words.

Strange I have never heard those words used. I have heard Faith Alone or Grace Alone but never Bible Alone. The Bible does say: Ephesians 2:8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I hope that brainwashing by the RCC does not keep you from understanding the above. Salvation is indeed the gift of God, the "unmerited favor of God, not the machinations of pope and teaching magisterium!

The only indicator mentioned in the bible are 2nd Thess.2: 15, both Holy Apostolic Teaching and the Holy Bible are necessary for the "Fullness of Christ's Christian Faith".

The passage says nothing about the teachings of the RCCult!

God never intended that the Bible alone should be the guide to salvation, read 2nd. Peter 1: 20. Jesus left us first with His Church [ formed on His Apostles ]Luke 10:16 and Matt.16:16-18, 28:18-20.

Actually the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is the Guide!

John 16:13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Before Jesus left us He made sure that His Teaching would be understood and applied correctly 1st Timothy 3: 14

1 Timothy 3:14.These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

So now you are claiming Paul was the 1st pope. Well at least he was in Rome!

 

[OldRegular]

OldRegular, you seem to be getting your information from sources outside the Catholic Church. Indeed most of them are hostile to the OHCAC. If you were seeking information about the Baptist Church would you seek it among the Mormons? If you were seeking to learn about plumbing would ask an electrician? Go to the source and learn the truth. Otherwise your words will resemble "Life" in Shakespeare's Macbeth: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

I have quoted information from Vatican I and the Canons of Trent other than the information presented in post #143!

The truth shall set you free but not if the tentacles of the RCCult have you in their grasp!

 

[Zenas]

I have quoted information from Vatican I and the Canons of Trent other than the information presented in post #143!

The truth shall set you free but not if the tentacles of the RCCult have you in their grasp!

I'm not talking about the church documents that you quote, although out of context. I'm referring to nonsense like rekindling the reformation dot com website. Let me suggest a couple of sources to balance out your myopic vision of Christianity:

1. Shelley, Bruce. Church History in Plain Language, 3d ed. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 2008. Here you will read a truthful account of the Christian faith from its inception up to the present day by a scholar whose only agenda is presentation of what happened in the past as accurately as possible. I am suggesting this one because you have a distorted view of Christian history, both Catholic and Protestant.

2. Keating, Carl. Catholicism and Fundamentalism San Francisco, CA: Ignatius Press, 1968. This is one of those "go to the source" books that I mentioned in a previous post. Keating is Catholic and, in a matter of fact and scholarly way, does a marvelous job of explaining the scriptural basis for Catholic thought.

 

[OldRegular]

I'm not talking about the church documents that you quote, although out of context. I'm referring to nonsense like rekindling the reformation dot com website. Let me suggest a couple of sources to balance out your myopic vision of Christianity:

I am not sure I can accuse you and the RCCult of having a myopic view of Christianity. In fact over the years the pope and teaching magisterium have screwed up the doctrine of the RCCult that it is unrecognizable as related in any way to Biblical Christianity.

1. Shelley, Bruce. Church History in Plain Language, 3d ed. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 2008. Here you will read a truthful account of the Christian faith from its inception up to the present day by a scholar whose only agenda is presentation of what happened in the past as accurately as possible. I am suggesting this one because you have a distorted view of Christian history, both Catholic and Protestant.

2. Keating, Carl. Catholicism and Fundamentalism San Francisco, CA: Ignatius Press, 1968. This is one of those "go to the source" books that I mentioned in a previous post. Keating is Catholic and, in a matter of fact and scholarly way, does a marvelous job of explaining the scriptural basis for Catholic thought.

So if I want the truth I read and believe what the RCCult teaches. That would be comical if it were not so tragic. That is like reading the writings of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young to find out the truth about the heresy of the Mormons, Charles Taze Russell to find out the truth about the heresy of the Watchtower Society, or listening to Barak Hussein Obama to find out the truth about Obamacare!

Perhaps providentially the person you insist was the first pope describes exactly the corruption of the Church at Rome.

2 Peter 2:1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

The RCCult abounds in heretical teachings and I have presented only a few!

 

[Zenas]

2 Peter 2:1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

The RCCult abounds in heretical teachings and I have presented only a few!

a true prophecy if ever there was one and the worst offender of all, the most pernicious influence on Christianity ever to have set foot on this earth was. . . JOHN CALVIN.

 

[McCree79]

a true prophecy if ever there was one and the worst offender of all, the most pernicious influence on Christianity ever to have set foot on this earth was. . . JOHN CALVIN.

Nice tactic.....throw Calvin out there. See if you can get the Protestants to fight among themselves.

 

[Rebel]

a true prophecy if ever there was one and the worst offender of all, the most pernicious influence on Christianity ever to have set foot on this earth was. . . JOHN CALVIN.

I can agree with you on that. See, even those very far apart may have common ground, even if no bigger than a mole hill.

 

[Rebel]

Nice tactic.....throw Calvin out there. See if you can get the Protestants to fight among themselves.

They don't need any prompting. :laugh:

 

[OldRegular]

a true prophecy if ever there was one and the worst offender of all, the most pernicious influence on Christianity ever to have set foot on this earth was. . . JOHN CALVIN.

And I thought you would say it was all those pagan, perverts who were popes that Scripture consigns to the Lake of Fire. They did not even make a rest stop in purgatory!

 

[OldRegular]

Perhaps providentially the person you insist was the first pope describes exactly the corruption of the Church at Rome.

2 Peter 2:1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

The RCCult abounds in heretical teachings and I have presented only a few!

Actually those who deny the Lord are the ones who worship and pray to Mary and other assorted so-called saints. That includes you Zenas, as well as every other practicing member of the RCCult. But then since you believe the RCCult saves you I suppose it doesn't really matter!

 

[OldRegular]

As we celebrate once again the Resurrection of Jesus Christ let us rejoice that our salvation is only by the Grace of God and was purchased by the once for all time Sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.

And let us be eternally grateful that our Salvation is totally and absolutely independent of the blasphemy of papism and the cultic system called Roman Catholicism.