Why the SBC is no longer traditional Baptist

[percho]

Whether there is homosexual orientation or not is, most decidedly, not the issue. If we live in a post-Genesis 3 world, which we do, we know that all of us are deeply affected by sin. So whether it's a pre-disposition or an "orientation," homosexuality is one of many sins we as humans commit--and whether it's an orientation or not, it is still a sin against God.

Jesus is quite clear in Matthew 15:

[18] But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. [19] For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. [20] These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.” (Matthew 15:18–20 ESV)
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It is the heart that is the issue. And, whether the issue is murder, adultery, sexual morality, it is things that are already present in the heart as a result of sin. Therefore an "orientation" to murder or commit adultery is no different than an orientation to "do" homosexuality. While we would not accept unrepentant murderers on the basis of "orientation," we also would not accept unrepentant homosexuals (or unrepentant heterosexual sinners) on the basis of "orientation."

Secondly, while cops of all races are in the cross-hairs every day, it is not statements by Moore (or anyone else) that causes them to be hunted or targeted. Again, the reason for racially-motivated violence is sin. So, Moore is not "causing" anyone to do anything, because--as Jesus said--these things (ie. murder) come out of the heart.

As far as the "Nasty guy" thing... If Trump called me a nasty guy for being biblical and upholding a biblical gospel, I'd take it as a compliment and a sign I was doing something right.

The Archangel

Amen!

Jesus was quite clear.

Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again


Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me. Ps 51:5

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.Gen 4:1

They were brought forth in iniquity.

 

[church mouse guy]

Amen!

Jesus was quite clear.

Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again


Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me. Ps 51:5

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.Gen 4:1

They were brought forth in iniquity.

Of course, Mohler and Moore are wrong that there is a homosexual orientation. It is just a sin. Perhaps Mohler and Moore want to say that a thief has a thievery orientation. Just crazy what those two are doing.

 

[agedman]

So what’s the attraction

I am not “attracted” to the SBC, but the local assembly has a very humble teaching pastor, of good conduct and character, and is solid in doctrine.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Of course, Mohler and Moore are wrong that there is a homosexual orientation. It is just a sin. Perhaps Mohler and Moore want to say that a thief has a thievery orientation. Just crazy what those two are doing.

Maybe write Uncle Al with your concerns

 

[church mouse guy]

Maybe write Uncle Al with your concerns

Moore had one guy threatened with arrest for asking that question and police-escorted out of the building last year at the convention. That is part of the reason Trump called Moore a nasty guy with no heart. Maybe Moore drinks soy.

 

[Reynolds]

Back in the early 70’s, I had to withdraw from contributing to the cooperative program. It is a long, ugly story, no longer worthy of telling. But the mistrust of the program still lingers in me to this day.

So, although I am SB I do not contribute to the cooperative program.

In this association, churches have to contribute or they are disfellowshipped.

 

[The Archangel]

Of course, Mohler and Moore are wrong that there is a homosexual orientation. It is just a sin. Perhaps Mohler and Moore want to say that a thief has a thievery orientation. Just crazy what those two are doing.

And yet you've offered no more than opinion (a repeated one) to support your own opinion.

Jesus' words in Matthew 15 are quite clear: Sexual immorality (and a host of other sins) comes from the heart; it isn't "just sin." In truth, whether it is sexual immorality, murder, drunkenness, etc., the issue of any kind of sin is a heart issue--a heart that wants to do what is right in its own eyes, not God's eyes. So, again, whether there is a disposition to homosexuality isn't the point; that there is an established disposition to sinfulness--and sins including homosexuality--is the point.

The Archangel

 

[The Archangel]

Moore had one guy threatened with arrest for asking that question and police-escorted out of the building last year at the convention. That is part of the reason Trump called Moore a nasty guy with no heart. Maybe Moore drinks soy.

But, of course, that's only one side of the story. I'm sure you know that...

The Archangel

 

[church mouse guy]

But, of course, that's only one side of the story. I'm sure you know that...

The Archangel

Moore has had a year to deny the story and he hasn't. He is a nasty guy with no heart. Maybe he has a liberal orientation which causes him to be so mean. Naw, he just is mean.

 

[The Archangel]

Moore has had a year to deny the story and he hasn't. He is a nasty guy with no heart. Maybe he has a liberal orientation which causes him to be so mean. Naw, he just is mean.

A spokesperson for the ERLC did deny the story. So, there’s that.

The Archangel


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[McCree79]

Moore had one guy threatened with arrest for asking that question and police-escorted out of the building last year at the convention. That is part of the reason Trump called Moore a nasty guy with no heart. Maybe Moore drinks soy.

That is not how it happened. The ERLC, SBC and Dallas PD all said it didn't happen like that. Littleton was removed from the restricted area. He was not removed from the building.

He also claimed the ERLC filed a police report on him. Dallas PD told the Christian Post, no such report exists.

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[church mouse guy]

That is not how it happened. The ERLC, SBC and Dallas PD all said it didn't happen like that. Littleton was removed from the restricted area. He was not removed from the building.

He also claimed the ERLC filed a police report on him. Dallas PD told the Christian Post, no such report exists.

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Did Moore call the police?

 

[McCree79]

Did Moore call the police?

The Police have no record of it.

But Littleton never accused Moore of doing anything. He accused Leatherwood.

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[church mouse guy]

The Police have no record of it.

But Littleton never accused Moore of doing anything. He accused Leatherwood.

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Would you agree that it would be best to abolish the ERLC and pull the SBC back out of Washington DC politics?

 

[McCree79]

Would you agree that it would be best to abolish the ERLC and pull the SBC back out of Washington DC politics?

I prefer funds to go to missions..foreign and local church plants. I would think local associations could represent their churches in matters of religious freedom or churches handle it theirselves.

I say this not knowing fully what the ERLC does daily. But I really don't see why matters of interest to the church, can't be handle by local and state groups.

At some point the SBC felt like they needed the ERLC. I also wonder at times, if Moore supported Trump like Falwell does, would people love the ERLC.

My biggest concern of Dr. Moore is his glowing endorsement of Beth Moore. I guess I have more Theological concerns with him than I do over his position (job) and the institution he runs.

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[church mouse guy]

I prefer funds to go to missions..foreign and local church plants. I would think local associations could represent their churches in matters of religious freedom or churches handle it theirselves.

I say this not knowing fully what the ERLC does daily. But I really don't see why matters of interest to the church, can't be handle by local and state groups.

At some point the SBC felt like they needed the ERLC. I also wonder at times, if Moore supported Trump like Falwell does, would people love the ERLC.

My biggest concern of Dr. Moore is his glowing endorsement of Beth Moore. I guess I have more Theological concerns with him than I do over his position (job) and the institution he runs.

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Thank you!

I agree with everything you said.

I think that the SBC should trust the public on candidates and only discuss issues.

Greear should have cleaned up this mess. The public is to blame for sending so much money to Nashville.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And yet you've offered no more than opinion (a repeated one) to support your own opinion.

Jesus' words in Matthew 15 are quite clear: Sexual immorality (and a host of other sins) comes from the heart; it isn't "just sin." In truth, whether it is sexual immorality, murder, drunkenness, etc., the issue of any kind of sin is a heart issue--a heart that wants to do what is right in its own eyes, not God's eyes. So, again, whether there is a disposition to homosexuality isn't the point; that there is an established disposition to sinfulness--and sins including homosexuality--is the point.

The Archangel

You mean it’s a thought issue don’t you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I prefer funds to go to missions..foreign and local church plants. I would think local associations could represent their churches in matters of religious freedom or churches handle it theirselves.

I say this not knowing fully what the ERLC does daily. But I really don't see why matters of interest to the church, can't be handle by local and state groups.

At some point the SBC felt like they needed the ERLC. I also wonder at times, if Moore supported Trump like Falwell does, would people love the ERLC.

My biggest concern of Dr. Moore is his glowing endorsement of Beth Moore. I guess I have more Theological concerns with him than I do over his position (job) and the institution he runs.

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So to be right with the SBC you must support Trump or you are out of favor? Is that true?

Then Moore endorses Moore? Doesn’t she say she is a pastor cause in my Bible... well you get the drift.

 

[McCree79]

So to be right with the SBC you must support Trump or you are out of favor? Is that true?

Then Moore endorses Moore? Doesn’t she say she is a pastor cause in my Bible... well you get the drift.

Yes, Moore endorses more. Haha. And yes, she (Beth) has elevated herself to an unbiblical leadership postion and Russell openly supports her, without openly calling for female pastors. Beth has went full egalitarian and Russell is too close for comfort.

Has far as Trump, I do feel many are upset with Russell Moore because he wouldn't support Trump. Once Moore spoke against Trump, many SBC members, including on this forum....began to attack at a rapid pace and calling for his firing or abolishing of the SBC. I have my issues with Dr. Moore, but I do not count this as one of them.

I support of Beth Moore and his mischaracterizations of those who signed the Statement on Social Justice (and misleading on the statement its self) is very disappointing. I won't call for abolishing of the ERLC, though I do wonder if anything is does that is relevant, could be done at more local levels. That would allow money to directed elsewhere (missions)....but I do not know enough about the ERLC to condemn it.

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[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, Moore endorses more. Haha. And yes, she (Beth) has elevated herself to an unbiblical leadership postion and Russell openly supports her, without openly calling for female pastors. Beth has went full egalitarian and Russell is too close for comfort.

Has far as Trump, I do feel many are upset with Russell Moore because he wouldn't support Trump. Once Moore spoke against Trump, many SBC members, including on this forum....began to attack at a rapid pace and calling for his firing or abolishing of the SBC. I have my issues with Dr. Moore, but I do not count this as one of them.

I support of Beth Moore and his mischaracterizations of those who signed the Statement on Social Justice (and misleading on the statement its self) is very disappointing. I won't call for abolishing of the ERLC, though I do wonder if anything is does that is relevant, could be done at more local levels. That would allow money to directed elsewhere (missions)....but I do not know enough about the ERLC to condemn it.

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I also will admit to knowing nothing about any SBC movements other than my own interaction with them so I won’t comment on the ERLC other than to say it is absent in my own religious movement. As for Beth Moore, an aerobatics instructor turned heretical pastor, she requires immediate church disipline.