WHY Universal Reconciliation is wrong ?

[annsni]

Not true. Church history shows that the concept of universalism was taught in most of the major theology schools in the very beginning of the early Church...

From Wikipedia...

"In Christianity, Universalism refers to the belief that all humans will be saved through Jesus Christ and eventually come to a harmony in God's kingdom. A related doctrine, apokatastasis, is the belief that all mortal beings will be reconciled to God, including Satan and his fallen angels (not all CU agree to this). Universalism was a fairly commonly held view among theologians in early Christianity: In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six known theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Cesarea, and Edessa or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality, and one (Carthage or Rome) taught the endless punishment of the lost.[1]. The two major theologians opposing it were Tertullian and Augustine.[citation needed] In later centuries, Universalism has become very much a minority position in the major branches of Christianity, though it has a long history of prominent adherents."
• John the Apostle (John 4:42)
• The Didascalia (the Catechetical school of Alexandria)
• Pantaenus, first head of catechetical school at Alexandria
• Clement of Alexandria, second head of catechetical school at Alexandria
• Origen, greatest scholar of the early church
• Athenasius, Archbishop of Alexandria
• Didymus
• Ambrose, Bishop
• Ephraim
• Chrysostum
• Gregory of Nyssa, Bishop
• Gregory of Nazianzus, Bishop and President of the second Church council
• Titus, Bishop of Bostra
These are a sample of the Christian Church in the first three hundred years.

Here is a list of well known people since the beginning. Included are three of your Presidents who if they were not full UC were supportive of it... Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, and George Washington. Other names, like the Bronte sisters, William Wallace (Braveheart), Robert and Elizabeth Browning, and a modern theologian and translator, William Barclay..

Ahhh - so many in error who now know the truth. Unfortunately, many know the truth in a bad way.....

 

[annsni]

One of my best friend is a Christian Universalist and a trinitarian. I not.

You do not believe in the Trinity?

 

[Benoni]

You do not believe in the Trinity?

No. Just like your second coming, your rapture, your pagan word hell these are non scriptural terms. God is one that is what Israel believed and still believes and God does not change just because someone established the Catholic Church.

Show me using God's Word where God is made up of three persons?

Show me in God's word the phase "first person of the trinity", "second person of the trinity" and "third person of the trinity". Without these terms you have no trinity except from the prayer books of Rome.

If you can show me that then i will believe in the trinity. God's Word says God is one. Good enough for me.

 

[Benoni]

Ahhh - so many in error who now know the truth. Unfortunately, many know the truth in a bad way.....

If you know the truth as you claim then where do all these unscriptural Words come from. I tell you your religion and not the Bible.

 

[Jedi Knight]

If you know the truth as you claim then where do all these unscriptural Words come from. I tell you your religion and not the Bible.

So why do you post on a Christian Forum? No one agrees here with your false teaching.

 

[annsni]

I don't know how long he is banned but I know I will be praying for him to know the true God of the Bible.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Hi to all , and this position , that there is such a thing as Universal Reconciliation can easily be proven wrong .

There are some who say #1 , that ALL l will be eventually saved , Like PURGATORY .

#2 , AND some also say that fallen angels and Lucifer will also be saved !

Some like to quote Col 1:20 , " and by Him to reconcile ALL THINGS to , Himself , by Him , whether things on Earth or thingd in Heaven , having made peace through the blood of His cross .

There are 45 verses where Paul uses nthis pharse " all things " .

The Key verse is TA PANTA and a proper understanding will keep all from this Heresy , that all will be saved .

If all will be saved , why preach , witness , give to the church , give to missionaries and etc , etc .

But Col 1:20 DOES NOT TEACH THIS .

" ALL THINGS " which is the Greek word PANTA , is NOT in the Greek text .

Rather , it is TA PANTA which means " the all things " SPECIFIC THINGS , and that is in the Greek text . It is thses things that are going to be reconciled to to the Lord Jesus Christ .

So , in Col 1:20 , it is the Body of Christ that is MEANT by " the all things"
, those members who have died and are in heaven , as well as those who are still alive on earth .

Christ came in human flesh to die for the human race not born as an angel to save fallen angels .

For those that do not understand the Greek Article can google and see for yoursleves how important it is .

Not all men will be saved. However, I have a question for you. Is salvation offered to all men?

 

[Dr. Walter]

Not all men will be saved. However, I have a question for you. Is salvation offered to all men?

Whether one believes in foreordained faith or foreseen faith, both views realize that God knows either according to purpose or to omniscience who will be saved and who will not be saved.

However, there is no man who knows who the elect are and either way the only way they can be known by men is through their response to the gospel (1 Thes. 1:4-5). Hence, the gospel is preached to all and all are called to repent and believe the gospel. Thus in the sense of preaching, salvation is offered to "whoseover will" but not to "whosoever will not" believe.

 

[RAdam]

Salvation is not offered in the gospel. Paul said in Acts 13, "whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent." He didn't offer it to them, he stated that it was sent to them. Salvation is declared, proclaimed, sent through the gospel. It is sent to whosoever feareth God. It is to be preached indiscriminantly, but unto some it will be the savor of death unto death, unto others the savor of life unto life. Preaching the gospel manifests who are children of God, it shows they were chosen by God.

Christ offered Himself once, and that was to God. He didn't offer Himself to man. I find no justification for me offering Him to man over and over again. I do find reason to preach Him to man over and over again and exhort believers to be baptized, take up their cross, and follow Him.

 

[dan p]

Is it offered to all ??

Not all men will be saved. However, I have a question for you. Is salvation offered to all men?

Hi Thinkingstuff , and in 2 Peter 3:19 , NOT willing that any should PERISH
bu8t that all should come to Repentance .

Then in Heb 2:9 , " that by the grace of God should TASTE DEATH for every man .

Jesus had to die for all , period , and no one will show otherwise !!!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Hi Thinkingstuff , and in 2 Peter 3:19 , NOT willing that any should PERISH
bu8t that all should come to Repentance .

Then in Heb 2:9 , " that by the grace of God should TASTE DEATH for every man .

Jesus had to die for all , period , and no one will show otherwise !!!

Amen. And in that sense I believe Salvation to be Universal. However, I do not believe Universal means that all will be saved. But that it is (Salvation) offered to all Men with out discrimination.

 

[annsni]

Hi Thinkingstuff , and in 2 Peter 3:19 , NOT willing that any should PERISH
bu8t that all should come to Repentance .

Then in Heb 2:9 , " that by the grace of God should TASTE DEATH for every man .

Jesus had to die for all , period , and no one will show otherwise !!!

If Jesus died for all, then everyone goes to heaven.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

If Jesus died for all, then everyone goes to heaven.

Flawed assumption. Jesus did die for all but not all will take the gift. Which means even more harsh judgement for them.

 

[annsni]

Flawed assumption. Jesus did die for all but not all will take the gift. Which means even more harsh judgement for them.

But if Jesus died for everyone's sins, then their sins are forgiven. Period. Was His death not effective otherwise?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

But if Jesus died for everyone's sins, then their sins are forgiven. Period. Was His death not effective otherwise?

A gift can only be effective if taken. Otherwise it unused opportunity.

 

[annsni]

A gift can only be effective if taken. Otherwise it unused opportunity.

Then Jesus' death wasn't effective.

 

[Dr. Walter]

Then Jesus' death wasn't effective.

Ann,

Are you actually arguing for universal salvation or are you attempting to define the atonement in regard to whether it was conditional or unconditional in application????

 

[annsni]

Ann,

Are you actually arguing for universal salvation or are you attempting to define the atonement in regard to whether it was conditional or unconditional in application????

Definitely not universal salvation.

 

[Tom Butler]

If Jesus died for all, then everyone goes to heaven.

Most Baptist agree with thinkingstuff.

Jesus did die for all but not all will take the gift. Which means even more harsh judgement for them.

Then, of course, we have to deal with 2 Corinthians 5:19:

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Most will buy the idea that God reconciled the world to himself (world meaning everybody). But the problem lies with the next phrase "not imputing their trespasses to them..." Most Baptists don't buy that. But the verse says nothing about reconciliation being contingent upon accepting the gift;

One can't have it both ways. If God reconciles the world, and does not impute trespasses, everybody does go to heaven. Unless, of course, "world" does not mean all without exception. That's the only way that verse can work.

 

[annsni]

Most Baptist agree with thinkingstuff.

Then, of course, we have to deal with 2 Corinthians 5:19:
Most will buy the idea that God reconciled the world to himself (world meaning everybody). But the problem lies with the next phrase "not imputing their trespasses to them..." Most Baptists don't buy that. But the verse says nothing about reconciliation being contingent upon accepting the gift;

One can't have it both ways. If God reconciles the world, and does not impute trespasses, everybody does go to heaven. Unless, of course, "world" does not mean all without exception. That's the only way that verse can work.

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