Wife Swap

[standingfirminChrist]

Notice the Stonerock's promote Kenneth Hagin's material. Definite red flags there too.

Hagin was the preacher who had people slithering on the floor and hissing like snakes, claimed he went to heaven and talked with his sister, claimed he went to hell,

Hagin teaches that for a pastor or anyone to drive a Chevrolet instead of a luxury car isn't "being humble, that's being ignorant" of God's "law of prosperity" that works for "whoever you are," saint or sinner.

The man has so many heretical doctrines, and the Stonerock's are apparently embracing the same lies that Hagin taught.

 

[superwoman8977]

Their disobedience to God's Word destroys that which they say on the website.

Scripture says that the Believer is not to have anything to do with the infidel (unbelieving).

An atheist is an unbeliever. They disobeyed God's Word that says to come out from among them and be ye separate.

Since it is obvious they still promote Wife Swap with their video of clear disobedience to God's Holy Word, they have not come out from amongst the infidel, but rather are continuing to embrace the infidel.

We are in the world, sw, but not of it. We cannot expect God to receive us if we promote such sinful disobedience as they are.

It is not me judging, it is God's Word that judges them.

He did not tell them to go live in the atheist home, but to come out from amongst them and be separate. Of course, in their six weeks of prayer, they failed to look to God's Word for the answer. That is obvious. Either that, or they looked and ignored the obvious command to not invite them into their home.

The Christian home is to be sacred, devoted to God... bringing one who mocks God into one's home is outright disobedience.

Wow Standing! The more I read the more angrier I get with your judgements and responses. I dont see how someone can take a bible so literally. I believe that what Christ says outranks what anyone else mentions. To love others as we love ourselves is a Christ commandment. It doesnt say love a person unless they arent Christian and then shun them. I have seen Atheists touched by the Lord through people over and over again. My ex mother in law is a prime example. She was a party animal, the life of the party, said when she died she was going to die with the keys to her harley in one hand and a bottle of bourbon in the other. 2 years ago, her husband suffered a massive stroke. Now partially paralyzed on his right side her whole outlook on life changed. She became not only his wife but his caretaker and the harley and the bourbon werent important anymore. One night her daughter and I were at the house, dad was still in rehab and the Lord touched her so hard. She sank to her knees and was like Lord I hate this I need you, I love you and that night she was saved and a week later she was baptized. When my father in law left that rehab hospital within a week he was saved and another week he was baptized. He can no longer ride the Harley which used to be the pride and joy of their lives, and he can no longer drink. They now attend church and their lives have done a complete 180. You never know when something you do for someone anyone is going to be that little spark that softens a heart of stone towards the Lord. I have to say going through this divorce my mother and father in law have been my rock. Yes its their son but they are so against what he has done. I bet 2 years ago they would have supported him, but they know what he is doing is wrong. If I was to love only Christians then I wouldnt have half my family in my life. Instead I love all and I keep them in prayers but its their choice how they want to live their lives. Just like it was Kelly's choice to do the wife swap and I firmly believe that she and her husband had the Lord's blessing to do this otherwise the outcome wouldnt have been so awesome. Thats truly God working there. Too many people limit what God can do. In Isaiah 66 It talks about the earth and heaven and it brings to mind the question --- Well how BIG is your God? When are we going to let Him out of that box we keep Him in and let Him work in our lives in whatever capacity He desires to work in? This also reminds me of the Left Behind Series. Those people after the rapture came to love and know the Lord and the Lord had a plan for those people. He touched those people even after the rapture. Do you not believe God can do good in the world through other people? I hear so much on BB that well this isnt in the word of God and so it cannot happen and that cannot happen and then I have to ask myself ..are we limiting God and limiting what He can do, which to me totally goes against God being the awesome and supreme being that He is? Maybe you and I have 2 very different pictures of who God is. I know for me God is this brother who stuck with me through stage 4 cancer when they told me there was no hope, who has stuck by me with my husband cheating and now the divorce and now supplying all my needs and being my comfort and my guide, thats who the Lord is to me. For Kelly I get the feeling that He is the same to her and that she felt she and her husband could minister to the family and to the world through television and look at the lives she has touched today. She may have not gotten thru to the athiests family but she got through to countless other people thru her testimony and thats evident from her site. :applause: I just feel bad that you have to be so close-minded when you are missing the big picture and sticking God in that little box. :BangHead:

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Wow Standing! The more I read the more angrier I get with your judgements and responses. I dont see how someone can take a bible so literally. I believe that what Christ says outranks what anyone else mentions. To love others as we love ourselves is a Christ commandment. It doesnt say love a person unless they arent Christian and then shun them. I have seen Atheists touched by the Lord through people over and over again. My ex mother in law is a prime example. She was a party animal, the life of the party, said when she died she was going to die with the keys to her harley in one hand and a bottle of bourbon in the other. 2 years ago, her husband suffered a massive stroke. Now partially paralyzed on his right side her whole outlook on life changed. She became not only his wife but his caretaker and the harley and the bourbon werent important anymore. One night her daughter and I were at the house, dad was still in rehab and the Lord touched her so hard. She sank to her knees and was like Lord I hate this I need you, I love you and that night she was saved and a week later she was baptized. When my father in law left that rehab hospital within a week he was saved and another week he was baptized. He can no longer ride the Harley which used to be the pride and joy of their lives, and he can no longer drink. They now attend church and their lives have done a complete 180. You never know when something you do for someone anyone is going to be that little spark that softens a heart of stone towards the Lord. I have to say going through this divorce my mother and father in law have been my rock. Yes its their son but they are so against what he has done. I bet 2 years ago they would have supported him, but they know what he is doing is wrong. If I was to love only Christians then I wouldnt have half my family in my life. Instead I love all and I keep them in prayers but its their choice how they want to live their lives. Just like it was Kelly's choice to do the wife swap and I firmly believe that she and her husband had the Lord's blessing to do this otherwise the outcome wouldnt have been so awesome. Thats truly God working there. Too many people limit what God can do. In Isaiah 66 It talks about the earth and heaven and it brings to mind the question --- Well how BIG is your God? When are we going to let Him out of that box we keep Him in and let Him work in our lives in whatever capacity He desires to work in? This also reminds me of the Left Behind Series. Those people after the rapture came to love and know the Lord and the Lord had a plan for those people. He touched those people even after the rapture. Do you not believe God can do good in the world through other people? I hear so much on BB that well this isnt in the word of God and so it cannot happen and that cannot happen and then I have to ask myself ..are we limiting God and limiting what He can do, which to me totally goes against God being the awesome and supreme being that He is? Maybe you and I have 2 very different pictures of who God is. I know for me God is this brother who stuck with me through stage 4 cancer when they told me there was no hope, who has stuck by me with my husband cheating and now the divorce and now supplying all my needs and being my comfort and my guide, thats who the Lord is to me. For Kelly I get the feeling that He is the same to her and that she felt she and her husband could minister to the family and to the world through television and look at the lives she has touched today. She may have not gotten thru to the athiests family but she got through to countless other people thru her testimony and thats evident from her site. :applause: I just feel bad that you have to be so close-minded when you are missing the big picture and sticking God in that little box. :BangHead:

It is the Word of God that is judging, sw. I am just agreeing with it.

News Flash... The Bible, the entire Bible, is the Word of God for man.

What testimony did Kelly have exactly? That God draws other people closer to Him by seeing that we can disobey His Word? God does not tell His people to sin... satan does.

As to the Left Behind series, I hope you realize they were all fiction. Those such as Bruce Barnes, Rayford and Chloe Steele have no chance of Salvation after the Rapture. They heard the truth before the Rapture and rejected it.

 

[annsni]

Wow Standing! The more I read the more angrier I get with your judgements and responses. I dont see how someone can take a bible so literally. I believe that what Christ says outranks what anyone else mentions. To love others as we love ourselves is a Christ commandment. It doesnt say love a person unless they arent Christian and then shun them. I have seen Atheists touched by the Lord through people over and over again. My ex mother in law is a prime example. She was a party animal, the life of the party, said when she died she was going to die with the keys to her harley in one hand and a bottle of bourbon in the other. 2 years ago, her husband suffered a massive stroke. Now partially paralyzed on his right side her whole outlook on life changed. She became not only his wife but his caretaker and the harley and the bourbon werent important anymore. One night her daughter and I were at the house, dad was still in rehab and the Lord touched her so hard. She sank to her knees and was like Lord I hate this I need you, I love you and that night she was saved and a week later she was baptized. When my father in law left that rehab hospital within a week he was saved and another week he was baptized. He can no longer ride the Harley which used to be the pride and joy of their lives, and he can no longer drink. They now attend church and their lives have done a complete 180. You never know when something you do for someone anyone is going to be that little spark that softens a heart of stone towards the Lord. I have to say going through this divorce my mother and father in law have been my rock. Yes its their son but they are so against what he has done. I bet 2 years ago they would have supported him, but they know what he is doing is wrong. If I was to love only Christians then I wouldnt have half my family in my life. Instead I love all and I keep them in prayers but its their choice how they want to live their lives. Just like it was Kelly's choice to do the wife swap and I firmly believe that she and her husband had the Lord's blessing to do this otherwise the outcome wouldnt have been so awesome. Thats truly God working there. Too many people limit what God can do. In Isaiah 66 It talks about the earth and heaven and it brings to mind the question --- Well how BIG is your God? When are we going to let Him out of that box we keep Him in and let Him work in our lives in whatever capacity He desires to work in? This also reminds me of the Left Behind Series. Those people after the rapture came to love and know the Lord and the Lord had a plan for those people. He touched those people even after the rapture. Do you not believe God can do good in the world through other people? I hear so much on BB that well this isnt in the word of God and so it cannot happen and that cannot happen and then I have to ask myself ..are we limiting God and limiting what He can do, which to me totally goes against God being the awesome and supreme being that He is? Maybe you and I have 2 very different pictures of who God is. I know for me God is this brother who stuck with me through stage 4 cancer when they told me there was no hope, who has stuck by me with my husband cheating and now the divorce and now supplying all my needs and being my comfort and my guide, thats who the Lord is to me. For Kelly I get the feeling that He is the same to her and that she felt she and her husband could minister to the family and to the world through television and look at the lives she has touched today. She may have not gotten thru to the athiests family but she got through to countless other people thru her testimony and thats evident from her site. :applause: I just feel bad that you have to be so close-minded when you are missing the big picture and sticking God in that little box. :BangHead:

We are not limiting God. God's character is such that there are things that He will not do. He will not reward sin. Despite what some people believe, prosperity is not always a reward from the Lord. Donald Trump is not more righteous than someone who is slaving for the Lord in Dufar even though he seems to be more "rewarded" than others.

While it would be good for a Christian to be able to have access to a family who are not believers and to hopefully influence them, what they had to do in this case was to also allow someone who is an enemy of God to have authority in their home which is wrong. I disagree with SFIC about the idea of NEVER having a non-believer in your home, however, to allow someone in to have any kind of influence or authority over your children is just plain wrong, IMO. I would not hire a nanny who did not have Christ in their lives. I have not had unsaved babysitters (the handful of time I have had outside babysitters). I WOULD invite neighbors to have tea, dinner or an iced tea in my home or on my porch but I would not allow them to bring wrong beliefs into my home with the goal of changing OUR beliefs and faith. That is what Wife Swap tries to do - change your beliefs. Hey - my daughter's graduation party is tomorrow and apparently many from her class are going to come - and none of them are saved that I know of - and I pray that we can have some sort of an influence in their lives. But again, they will not have any authority in my home. THAT makes a huge difference.

 

[righteousdude2]

Biblegal is a sign of the times...

The root of Biblegal's problem can be found in Romans 1:19-For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God [Himself] has shown it to them. 20-For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],(B) 21-Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened. 22-Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves]. 23-And by them the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God were exchanged for and represented by images, resembling mortal man and birds and beasts and reptiles. 24-Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin], 25-Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen (so be it).(C) 26-For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. the Amplified Bible

As I see it, IMHO, Biblegal, and others on this forum, have mocked God by going against the scripture that SFIC has quoted about bringing the unsaved, unlike spirits in your home.

For many years, I was lacking in wisdom, and by bringing unlike, or opposing spirits into my home, I'd notice an aftermath of problems following the fellowship with persons who were unequally yoked [in ungoing, personal fellowship with] to the same God and Holy Spirit that my wife and I are one with. There were spirits of sexually immoral and unclean thoughts; spirits of fear and doubt; spirits of dissension; spirits of foul talk; spirits of anger, hate, disagreement, etc., hanging around as residuals from having folks not anchored in Christ, over to our home.

We have learned the hard way, that we need to be very careful in who we have over to visit. Some may say we're being judgmental in trying to discern whether this person or couple is right to invite over, but, that verse from SFIC, along with what Paul lays out in Romans 1 and 2, is a fact folks.

If we profess ourselves to be wiser than the scripture we are given, scripture that was meant to protect us, and do our own thing long enough [here's the kicker, so pay attention], God will turn us over to our minds will be turned over to our sin [disobedience to God's Word] and the darkness we allowed to enter our homes and hearts. There is a price to pay for not listening to God. When we profess ourselves to be wiser than God [going against His Word, is a form of professing ourselves wiser than God] time-after-time, He will allow us to be turned over to that way of thinking and doing business on this planet.

At one time in my walk with Jesus, I may not have liked what SFIC has brought up, but, the truth is, we are to avoid having, or inviting unlike spirits into our home, or our spiritual space, for intimate fellowship.

If we ignore God's teaching over-and-over, you can be assured that you will be turned over to that very spirit which you have been warned to be stay away from, and you will begin to live and act like that spirit.

Will that keep you from eternal life, I don't know, therefore, I don't thinks so...but, I do believe, you will be judged for this, and it cost you your eternal rewards for all the good things you did prior to falling to that spirit by way of God [turning you over to the spirit].

I know there will be those on the board who will disagree with me on this, but, the Scripture sure seems to be very clear about socially and spiritually mixing and mingling on a regular basis with unlike spirit and unclean spirits. You will be turned over to their dark world. Amen!!!

be forewarned my brothers and sisters. The Bible is the one and only true Word of the Living God.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

 

[annsni]

Unequal yoking doesn't mean not associating with anyone who's not saved. If that were the case, how could we preach the Gospel? We'd have to disobey the Word of God.

We are told to go into the world and make disciples of all nations - teaching them all the Jesus taught us. If we stay away from the unsaved, then we are hiding our light under a bushel.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Unequal yoking doesn't mean not associating with anyone who's not saved. If that were the case, how could we preach the Gospel? We'd have to disobey the Word of God.

We are told to go into the world and make disciples of all nations - teaching them all the Jesus taught us. If we stay away from the unsaved, then we are hiding our light under a bushel.

We are told to go into the world, yes. But where does it say we are to bring the world into our homes?

Where does it say we are to disobey the command to receive not into our homes the ones that do not bring the doctrine of Christ with them?

 

[annsni]

We are told to go into the world, yes. But where does it say we are to bring the world into our homes?

Where does it say we are to disobey the command to receive not into our homes the ones that do not bring the doctrine of Christ with them?

When reading the passage in context (2 John 1:10-11), we see that it's speaking of those who are against Christ - antichrist. I do not see it saying that we are to turn away those who come to our home seeking the Lord, as are those who we've allowed in our home. We housed 2 Chinese students over Thanksgiving - who were not yet saved. But by the time they left, they learned more about the Lord and one had given her life to Christ. We were able to spend concentrated time with them and they were able to see what a Christian home is like (they had no experience with Christianity before coming to our church a few months ago). It was an honor and a privilege to be a part of the salvation of one of the girls (and the other girl gave her life to Christ a few weeks later. )

 

[standingfirminChrist]

When reading the passage in context (2 John 1:10-11), we see that it's speaking of those who are against Christ - antichrist. I do not see it saying that we are to turn away those who come to our home seeking the Lord, as are those who we've allowed in our home. We housed 2 Chinese students over Thanksgiving - who were not yet saved. But by the time they left, they learned more about the Lord and one had given her life to Christ. We were able to spend concentrated time with them and they were able to see what a Christian home is like (they had no experience with Christianity before coming to our church a few months ago). It was an honor and a privilege to be a part of the salvation of one of the girls (and the other girl gave her life to Christ a few weeks later. )

Is not an atheist an anti-christ? Kelly and Jeff invited an atheist into their home for two weeks, thereby disobeying that instruction given by God to John.

As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ Himself declared "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." So in the broad sense of the term, all who are not of the body of Christ are indeed themselves anti-christ's.

 

[righteousdude2]

Thanks

Unequal yoking doesn't mean not associating with anyone who's not saved. If that were the case, how could we preach the Gospel? We'd have to disobey the Word of God.

We are told to go into the world and make disciples of all nations - teaching them all the Jesus taught us. If we stay away from the unsaved, then we are hiding our light under a bushel.

I adjusted my comment about unequally yoked. I hope the change makes it more clearly that while we need to go and preach the Gospel, the scripture forbids us from making friends with, or, fellowshipping with unequally yoked. or unlike persons.:laugh:

Pastor Paul

 

[Joe]

I adjusted my comment about unequally yoked. I hope the change makes it more clearly that while we need to go and preach the Gospel, the scripture forbids us from making friends with, or, fellowshipping with unequally yoked. or unlike persons.:laugh:

Pastor Paul

Imho, scripture doesn't forbid us from making friends with or fellowshipping with unsaved individuals.

Consider the wedding at Cana. Mary and the disciples were certainly saved (- Judas) yet they dined and fellowshipped merrily with the unsaved.


John 2: 1-5 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 Now both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. 3 And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.”
4 Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”
5 His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”

 

[standingfirminChrist]

First, Jesus was invited to the wedding. He did not invite a lost group to live in His home in their lost condition.

Second, Scripture does not say what the spiritual condition of the wedding party was. They may have all been followers of God rather than of the Pharisaical laws.

Third, since Scripture commands in Proverbs 23 that we are not to be among wine-bibbers and riotous eaters of flesh, I cannot see the Christ who gave that wise instruction of wisdom to Solomon going against it and being among wine-bibbers and riotous eaters of flesh.

Many other instructions given to Solomon (as well as the Law given to Moses and Aaron) would have to be compared with Jesus' being at the wedding.

 

[Joe]

Weddings traditionally include family and friends so for all these individuals to be saved would not be the norm.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Weddings traditionally include family and friends so for all these individuals to be saved would not be the norm.

Unless you were there at that wedding feast in 25 AD, you cannot say with certainty that any were followers of God.

Scripture has to interpret Scripture. What does the Old Testament testify of Christ?

 

[Joe]

you mean I wouldn't know with certainty that "not all were followers of god." alright

I don't understand the question

 

[standingfirminChrist]

you mean I wouldn't know with certainty that "not all were followers of god."

I don't understand the question

Those at the wedding feast were not saved by the blood of Christ, for Christ had not gone to the cross at this point in time.

They may have followed God, i.e., obeyed sacrifices, oblations, etc..

 

[Joe]

Oh, ok. Good point

 

[Gershom]

superwoman8977,

I have went back and read your posts in this particular thread. I would like to commend you for your hearts desire to minister to other women. That certainly shows that you have love and mercy in your heart, something all Christians need in abundance if we are to be like our Lord Jesus.

A lot of times, doors are opened for us to minister when we encounter someone who is going through a similar trial that we ourselves have already experienced. This has happened to me on occasion, and it looks like this has been true in your life. As you seek God in your trials, He comforts you by His promises through His Word and as you meditate upon those promises, it gives you hope which brings comfort. He is the God of All Comfort. Paul taught in 2 Corinthians that as had God comforted us in our tribulation, we can in turn comfort those with the same comfort we received from God. Everyone desires to be comforted. And this desire opens the door for you to tell them about Jesus Christ our Lord, who alone can comfort them as no other will or as nothing else can. No one knows the human heart better than the One who created it. The Bible says that He knows our frame. Therefore, who better to go to than the One who truly knows man's need?

When you have opportunities to minister to others, tell them about Jesus. Explain to them His love and His goodness. You mentioned that you don't pray and study 24/7, and that there is a world out there to explore. I don't know how much time you spend with the Lord through study and prayer, but if it's not much, you cannot be equipped to minister to its fullest. Man's affliction and pain comes from sin (whether ours or someone else's) and the only cure for that is Jesus Christ and the process of healing can only come from His Word. So if we endeavor to be faithful ministers, we have to spend time with Him through prayer and study. This means daily, as if it was (and it is, according to the Bible) our food. We have been given a ministry, and that ministry is one of reconciliation. We are to reconcile man to God through the message of the Gospel.

You are right, some Christian may put on the persona of being "holier than thou." Sometimes they just want to prove to be "smarter than thou" in the Scriptures and there is really no love behind the rebukes or exhortations. A preacher once said "no one cares about how much you know until they see how much you care." I have to agree that there are people who are more concerned with how much they Bible knowledge they have aquired while ignoring the poor and needy. Both must be present in a Christian's life as they go hand-in-hand. All in all, we must follow after the principles, guidelines and commands found in the Bible because, again, they are a believer's life source and out of such adherence will flow a life of obedience and servitude.

The testimony of your former father and mother-in-law coming to the Lord is what you can see over and over again as you minister the Gospel to those who God sends your way. Just be faithful to Him and watch how many windows of opportunity He will open.

My advice to you is to stay close to Him through daily study and prayer.

God bless,
Tom

 

[Brother Bob]

What if you swap wifes and they won't give them back?????

BBob,

 

[standingfirminChrist]

What if you swap wifes and they won't give them back?????

BBob,

Chances you take.

Play with fire... get yer fingers burned.