Will there be a "millenium" in which Jesus physically rules this earth?

[Iconoclast]

But during the millenium, He will have returned to this world. Nothing says He will leave it once more.

That is the question being looked at.
I am suggesting looking at what others see or not, in the same verses you are looking at.
It is no trick.I am trying to examine your own claims in portions of scripture that I could no longer deny.
I have asked for anyone to explain the language of rev.6.
go for it!

 

[Iconoclast]

Thanks. I admit to being personally offended when someone questions my salvation based on such non-essential doctrine that has many interpretations. My goal, I hope, is to bring the person to understand its inappropriate to bring such accusations into discussions among brethren.

I was like that once, thinking since God Holy Spirit indwells all believers, we should agree on all things. And, of course, since God Holy Spirit reveal such to me as truth, surely everyone else got the same message. Such arrogance destroys unity among brethren.

It’s humbling to realize something you held as God given truth for many years is not biblical.. In the end, I swallow my pride and commit myself to understanding scripture in context, wherever it takes me, and changing my mind where necessary.

Thanks again. I enjoy reading your posts, even when I don’t comment.

peace to you

I don't shy back from the interaction. I get accused of things like - all calvinists are arrogant ,calvinists and rude [rm] and I and I'm used to it.
from that respect you have people who because they cannot interact they just find it easier to try to dismiss the person rather than what is being offered by the person , the scriptures

 

[SovereignGrace]

That is the question being looked at.
I am suggesting looking at what others see or not, in the same verses you are looking at.
It is no trick.I am trying to examine your own claims in portions of scripfure that I could no longer deny.
I have asked for anyone to explain the language of rev.6.
go for it!

I wanna watch them go through Revelation 6 verse by verse. This could be popcorn worthy.

 

[SovereignGrace]

You have no interest because you cannot do it without doing the exact thing you are suggesting we do.
There are many such passages that not one of you can answer with your method of interpretation.
You cannot handle Rev.6, Mt.24, Joel2. without possible contradictions and you know it.
All of you want to write it off as spiritualizing the texts however it is rather a literal interpretation based on using scripture to interpret scripture.
If God uses figurative language in a certain way, who are we to use it differently.
Now, that being said, it is possible to wrongly supply some of the figures of speech . That does need to be examined and challenged for sure.
Amos 9, is interpreted by the Apostles as the church....yet in Amos 9:11 it speaks of the tabernacle of David being rebuilt.
We could study it together or you and others can avoid it and hide like an ostrich putting its head in the sand.

Now, I do think amil does too much spiritualizing(that is solely my opinion and not anyone else), especially with Isaiah 65:19-25.

 

[Iconoclast]

Right. You are the one who claims to believe the Bible yet holds that it is a "topological" abusrdity for the glorified Christ to land on the Mount of Olives and cause it to split. There is zero basis in Scripture to hold that position, which shows that your approach is not biblical.

Dr. Gentry is quite biblical You might not agree with his conclusions...but he offers much bible.

 

[Iconoclast]

Now, I do think amil does too much spiritualizing(that is solely my opinion and not anyone else), especially with Isaiah 65:19-25.

I find they do not attempt to get as specific as postmill writers.
They are friends overall.Many things the same.
I have a book in the truck with me,that is Amill attacking postmill,lol.
I am trying to see what are his concerns once again...I initially read it a few years ago.

 

[robycop3]

That is the question being looked at.
I am suggesting looking at what others see or not, in the same verses you are looking at.
It is no trick.I am trying to examine your own claims in portions of scripture that I could no longer deny.
I have asked for anyone to explain the language of rev.6.
go for it!

The verses are pretty plain to me, a person of ordinary intelligence & education. I don't see any other meanings besides what they actually state.

Rev. 6 is the first parts of the great trib.

 

[Iconoclast]

The verses are pretty plain to me, a person of ordinary intelligence & education. I don't see any other meanings besides what they actually state.

Rev. 6 is the first parts of the great trib.

ok...
sun black
moon blood
stars from heaven fall to the earth
heavens depart as a scroll getting rolled up
mountains move out of their places

How does anything happen after these events.
If our sun fell to the earth we would fry.This says stars plural.
How does the sky roll up like a scroll?
Do you see the issue?

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus didn't preach it during His ministry; He revealed it in the Revelation.

Remember, it's called "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" in Rev. 1:1. In it, He revealed many things He hadn't revealed in His ministry, & the millenium was one of them.

He preached the gospel of the kingdom that you and the Pharisees rejected. There is no millennium.

 

[1689Dave]

Whatever you wanna call it, it's plain that God has chosen to be worshipped in different manners, according to what He had revealed to man in a given time.

There is only Law and Grace. We are in grace with the Law being abolished. You are adding to scripture making it say whatever you want it to say. Play by the rules of interpretation and see where they lead.

 

[SovereignGrace]

ok...
sun black
moon blood
stars from heaven fall to the earth
heavens depart as a scroll getting rolled up
mountains move out of their places

How does anything happen after these events.
If our sun fell to the earth we would fry.This says stars plural.
How does the sky roll up like a scroll?

Death riding a horse with the nether world following him. Plus, he travels 1/4 of the world on this horse.

 

[Iconoclast]

There is only Law and Grace. We are in grace with the Law being abolished. You are adding to scripture making it say whatever you want it to say. Play by the rules of interpretation and see where they lead.

Your views are confusing the issue.at hand

 

[1689Dave]

Your views are confusing the issue.at hand

How so? Those are the only two frameworks God deals with us in. Dispensationalism has no basis in scripture.

 

[Iconoclast]

How so? Those are the only two frameworks God deals with us in. Dispensationalism has no basis in scripture.

We 1st have to explore how we're coming to the conclusions we're coming to

 

[Squire Robertsson]

In answer to the question posed in the thread title, yes.

 

[robycop3]

ok...
sun black

sackcloth was used by ancient people to observe the sun & solar eclipses, etc. Sackcloth of hair isn't completely opaque.

moon blood

Smoke/dust

stars from heaven fall to the earth

Meteors

heavens depart as a scroll getting rolled up

We'll hafta wait n see

mountains move out of their places

How does anything happen after these events.
If our sun fell to the earth we would fry.This says stars plural.
How does the sky roll up like a scroll?
Do you see the issue?[/QUOTE]

I think I got a little ahead. The 4 horsemen are the beginnings, but the 6th seal is near the end of the trib, not long before Jesus' return. But the moon often appears as blood in the area of a smoky volcanic eruption, or the California wildfires, and that smoke can mostly obscure the sun, while everying knows "falling stars' are meteors. YOU know that, too, so please cease being obtuse about it.

 

[robycop3]

He preached the gospel of the kingdom that you and the Pharisees rejected. There is no millennium.

Then you don't believe Scripture, which says there WILL be.

 

[robycop3]

There is only Law and Grace. We are in grace with the Law being abolished. You are adding to scripture making it say whatever you want it to say. Play by the rules of interpretation and see where they lead.

You don't know either history or Scripture too well. First, you reject plain Scripture that says there WILL be a millenium, in your previous post, and now, THIS goofy stuff. AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A BAPTIST ? ?

 

[Iconoclast]

sackcloth was used by ancient people to observe the sun & solar eclipses, etc. Sackcloth of hair isn't completely opaque.

Smoke/dust

Meteors

We'll hafta wait n see


How does anything happen after these events.
If our sun fell to the earth we would fry.This says stars plural.
How does the sky roll up like a scroll?
Do you see the issue?

I think I got a little ahead. The 4 horsemen are the beginnings, but the 6th seal is near the end of the trib, not long before Jesus' return. But the moon often appears as blood in the area of a smoky volcanic eruption, or the California wildfires, and that smoke can mostly obscure the sun, while everying knows "falling stars' are meteors. YOU know that, too, so please cease being obtuse about it.[/QUOTE]
lol.
you suggest I am being obtuse..
then you post the sun being dark..not literal
moon to blood....not literal, it is dust...
stars falling to the earth..not literal
heaven rolling up like a scroll.....not literal

Men are not seeming to hide in caves and under rocks, because they arelooking at an eclipse through sackcloth, or smoke is tinting the moon.

 

[Dave G]

I wanna watch them go through Revelation 6 verse by verse.

" And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" ( Revelation 6:1-17 ).

The preceding happens during the "Great Tribulation", otherwise known as the time of Jacob's trouble ( Jeremiah 30:1-9 ).