Wine & Alcohol part 37

[EdSutton]

I don't know whether to laugh out loud or cry... Demon Rum?!?!?! Who talks like that?

I dunno about today. But the late Mrs. Carrie Nation, who incidentally was born, reared, and lived for a time as an adult within about eight miles of me and in the same county where I grew up and reside, (with that historic and still lovely home still lived in and in good shape,) (and might have purchased her hatchet, dress, and bonnet from some of my ancestors, or at least kinfolk, as well ) was one who 'talked like that', as did the late Evangelist, Billy Sunday. (BTW, the President of the Bible College I attended and his wife knew "Ma" Sunday very well, and they were close friends.)

:smilewinkgrin:

Ed

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

As far as stepping down from the pulpit, 1 Timothy tells us the Bishop is to be above reproach. All through Scripture, alcohol brought a reproach to man. Noah being the first to see the results of it.

 

[PeterM]

As far as stepping down from the pulpit, 1 Timothy tells us the Bishop is to be above reproach. All through Scripture, alcohol brought a reproach to man. Noah being the first to see the results of it.

Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Scripture also delcares, "Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge." (Pro 14:7)

Those of us who adhere to the truth written in God's Word certainly have not met words of knowledge from advocates of drinking.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.

The question is, do those outside think well of you because you preach they can hold on to their alcohol?

 

[SoulWinningLady]

Those of you who are "for" drinking in moderation. Please tell me, how many glasses of wine is considered "intoxicated" to you? When you start to feel a buzz, is that being drunk? Where do you draw the line? If I have a drink of wine, which I have not for along time, but if I did, I know I would feel a small buzz after that one glass. What does that buzz mean? Do you have a buzz after one glass of wine? I mean a small buzz.
Anyone???

 

[PeterM]

The question is, do those outside think well of you because you preach they can hold on to their alcohol?

I hope and pray that the totality of my life and ministry make others glad in the Lord. I'll leave it to Fundmental Extremists and Roman Catholics to tell people how they can make God and others happy so that they can feel accepted. Biblical Christianty however should sound and express itself in a different manner.

In His steps,

 

[Diggin in da Word]

You sign off with 'in His steps'. Isn't that deceiving? After all, I have not found a single instance in the Bible where Christ advocated drinking alcohol. Nor have I found an instance where He drank it Himself.

 

[whatever]

Those of you who are "for" drinking in moderation. Please tell me, how many glasses of wine is considered "intoxicated" to you? When you start to feel a buzz, is that being drunk? Where do you draw the line? If I have a drink of wine, which I have not for along time, but if I did, I know I would feel a small buzz after that one glass. What does that buzz mean? Do you have a buzz after one glass of wine? I mean a small buzz.
Anyone???

I'm not "for" drinking in moderation. I am against making up sins and changing what the Bible says to fit my prejudices. I am against those who say that "wine" and "strong drink" mean alcohol when spoken against and mean juice when spoken in favor of. If you do not do this then you and I have no quarrel.

If you don't want to drink wine because it would give you a buzz then don't drink wine. I ought not say whether you ought to drink wine or not. It's none of my business. I will say that you ought not get drunk, because the Bible is clear on that point. The rest is up to you.

 

[whatever]

. . . I have not found a single instance in the Bible where Christ advocated drinking alcohol. Nor have I found an instance where He drank it Himself.

Well, I have.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

The Word is given for reproof, for doctrine, for correction, for instruction in righteousness... and yet it is not our job to tell others what the Bible says about their sin?

Wow! People wanting to heap up to themselves teachers, having itching ears and preachers who will not preach the truth of God's Word! We are living in the last days indeed.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Well, I have.

Post the scripture then, whatever.

 

[whatever]

Post the scripture then, whatever.

Been here, done that.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

That's not scripture. whatever.

If ya can't produce the scripture, say so.

 

[PeterM]

You sign off with 'in His steps'. Isn't that deceiving? After all, I have not found a single instance in the Bible where Christ advocated drinking alcohol. Nor have I found an instance where He drank it Himself.

Now I'm a liar...:laugh:

You can flip that little argument both ways... Jesus neither specifically endorses or commands abstinence.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Diggin,

He cannot produce the scripture. No one can produce a single scripture to show Jesus advocated or drank alcoholic beverage.

So, they stoop to 'been there, done that' even though they haven't.

 

[whatever]

That's not scripture. whatever.

If ya can't produce the scripture, say so.

It's been posted before. You ignore it or pretend that it means something other than what it says. That's on your head.

 

[av1611jim]

Interesting;
1. Our brother posts clear evidence that the nature of Jesus, being Divine, would not produce nor provide something which would tempt men to clearly violate scripture, i.e. drunkeness, and yet some of you here advocate, yea, you boldly declare that Jesus not only tempted men with evil but indulged in it Himself!!!

2. The "H" word quickly comes to mind.

Surely this is the end times and many of you are in the Laodicean church.

Come out from her and be ye seperate.

I'll not return to this thread. It has gone to the same place all the others have gone. Stiff necked and rebellious and (dare I say) blasphemous.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

It's been posted before. You ignore it or pretend that it means something other than what it says. That's on your head.

If it has been posted here before, you should not have any problem finding it and reposting it. I have looked and cannot find it.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Nor can I Diggin.