Steven2006
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These verses are what convicted me to no longer have anything to drink.
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These verses are what convicted me to no longer have anything to drink.
I still won't... because of my testimony to others...
Others see it as sin... therefore, I will not be a stumblingblock.
Also, I would have to buy it somewhere... poof there goes my testimony.
SFIC... I am interested in your "recipe" I would like to do that myself.
Do you have a link to it?
Others see it as sin... therefore, I will not be a stumblingblock.
Also, I would have to buy it somewhere... poof there goes my testimony.
SFIC... I am interested in your "recipe" I would like to do that myself.
Do you have a link to it?
Steven2006
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Good questions. Unless something changes how I feel, right now the answer would still be no. For one I wouldn't want to have to avoid the topic if it came up in conversations with others, for the exact same reasons. Secondly I wouldn't want to feel like I would have to sneak to buy some beer, for fear of offending someone that might see. It would seem silly at this point in my life. Thirdly since I feel this is what I should do, it would feel hypocritical. Lastly Since I also now have children, I believe picking and choosing the moments would not be a good example for them. But I do have to admit I used to really enjoy a icy cold beer, or a nice dry white wine with dinner. I don't think wrong of anyone who does likewise. Oh, I might add also I have found that by now answering no to invitations of drink, it has opened up opportunities to explain why, so it might indirectly lead to some witnessing opportunities.
mcdirector
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But why do you need a recipe Tim, they sell the stuff by the gallon and it's a name brand?
standingfirminChrist
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Tim,
Go to your local library and reference books on wine by Columella, Plutarch, Pliny the Elder and othere historians of Bible times
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It is Pliny the Elder that gives the recipe I used. That recipe can be found in his book "On Agriculture".
I have also found many similar recipes in other books by historical figures of Bible times.
Plutarch records the squeezing of the grapes into the cup for new wine.
Go to your local library and reference books on wine by Columella, Plutarch, Pliny the Elder and othere historians of Bible times
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It is Pliny the Elder that gives the recipe I used. That recipe can be found in his book "On Agriculture".
I have also found many similar recipes in other books by historical figures of Bible times.
Plutarch records the squeezing of the grapes into the cup for new wine.
The steamboat Arabia sank in the Missouri River in 1856. Nearly 150 years later it was excavated, and the fruit and vegetable preserves were still unfermented and samples were eaten by the diggers.webdog said:The egyptians were the best at preservation of humans, and they still decomposed.
How far down do you have to dig in order to freeze fruit and juice
The ability of the ground to preserve items depends on the conditions of the ground: temperature, water, acidity, etc. The most important condition is the oxygen content. Less oxygen means better preservation.
In the bogs of Europe, nearly perfectly preserved corpses on the order of hundreds and thousands of yearse old are still being found with skin and organs intact. And they're only a few feet deep.
It's with good reason that those who employed the method with which SFC is experimenting buried the grape juice near rivers.
Bro. Williams
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I'm still looking for a recipe for miak.
standingfirminChrist
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From "Bible Wines" by William Patton:
Professor Donovan, in his work on Domestic Economy, mentioned three methods by which all fermentation could be prevented:
"1. Grape-juice will not ferment when the air is completely excluded."
"2. By boiling down the juice, or, in other words, evaporating the water, the substance becomes a syrup, which if very thick will not ferment."
3. If the juice is filtered and deprived of its gluten, or ferment, the production of alcohol will be impossible." -- Anti-Bacchus, p. 162
Dr. Ure, the eminent chemist, says that fermentation may be tempered or stopped:
"1. By those means which render the yeast inoperative, particularly by the oils that contain sulfur, as oil of mustard, as also by the sulphurous and sulphuric acids."
"2. By the separation of the yeast, either by the filter or subsidence."
"3. By lowering the temperature to 45°. If the fermenting mass becomes clear at this temperature and be drawn off from the subsided yeast, it will not ferment again, though it should be heated to the proper pitch." --Anti-Bacchus, p. 225.
Baron Liebig, in his Letters on Chemistry, says: "If a flask be filled with grape-juice and made air-tight, and then kept for a few hours in boiling water, THE WINE does not now ferment." -- Bible Commentary, xxxvii. Here we have two of the preventives, viz., the exclusion of the air, and the raising of the temperature to the boiling point.
The unadulterable laws of nature, which are the laws of God, teach these stern facts:
1. That the sweet juices and thick syrup will not undergo the vinous-fermentation.
2. That the direct and inevitable fermentation of the sweet juices, in hot climates with the temperatures above 75°, will be the acetous.
3. That to secure the vinous fermentation the temperature must be between 50° and 75°, and that the exact proportion of sugar and gluten and water must be secured.
4. That all fermentation may be prevented by excluding the air, by boiling, by filtration, by subsidence, and by the use of sulphur.
Bible Wines pp, 21, 22
Fermentation Prevented
Professor Donovan, in his work on Domestic Economy, mentioned three methods by which all fermentation could be prevented:
"1. Grape-juice will not ferment when the air is completely excluded."
"2. By boiling down the juice, or, in other words, evaporating the water, the substance becomes a syrup, which if very thick will not ferment."
3. If the juice is filtered and deprived of its gluten, or ferment, the production of alcohol will be impossible." -- Anti-Bacchus, p. 162
Dr. Ure, the eminent chemist, says that fermentation may be tempered or stopped:
"1. By those means which render the yeast inoperative, particularly by the oils that contain sulfur, as oil of mustard, as also by the sulphurous and sulphuric acids."
"2. By the separation of the yeast, either by the filter or subsidence."
"3. By lowering the temperature to 45°. If the fermenting mass becomes clear at this temperature and be drawn off from the subsided yeast, it will not ferment again, though it should be heated to the proper pitch." --Anti-Bacchus, p. 225.
Baron Liebig, in his Letters on Chemistry, says: "If a flask be filled with grape-juice and made air-tight, and then kept for a few hours in boiling water, THE WINE does not now ferment." -- Bible Commentary, xxxvii. Here we have two of the preventives, viz., the exclusion of the air, and the raising of the temperature to the boiling point.
The unadulterable laws of nature, which are the laws of God, teach these stern facts:
1. That the sweet juices and thick syrup will not undergo the vinous-fermentation.
2. That the direct and inevitable fermentation of the sweet juices, in hot climates with the temperatures above 75°, will be the acetous.
3. That to secure the vinous fermentation the temperature must be between 50° and 75°, and that the exact proportion of sugar and gluten and water must be secured.
4. That all fermentation may be prevented by excluding the air, by boiling, by filtration, by subsidence, and by the use of sulphur.
Bible Wines pp, 21, 22
standingfirminChrist
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The Bible also mentions milk. Milk comes in many ways.
Buttermilk
Skim
Lowfat
Soy
1%
2%
The list goes on. Words in the Word of God had more than one meaning.
The chapter and verse show that wine in the Bible was wine. But context (using with surrounding verses shows whether it is fermented or not. Fermented wine is always frowned upon or a symbol of God's wrath. Non fermented wine is always seen as a blessing.
If one wants to partake of that which symbolizes God's wrath or is frowned upon, have at it. But be prepared to explain to God why you were in rebellion against His Word.
I choose to obey God.
Buttermilk
Skim
Lowfat
Soy
1%
2%
The list goes on. Words in the Word of God had more than one meaning.
The chapter and verse show that wine in the Bible was wine. But context (using with surrounding verses shows whether it is fermented or not. Fermented wine is always frowned upon or a symbol of God's wrath. Non fermented wine is always seen as a blessing.
If one wants to partake of that which symbolizes God's wrath or is frowned upon, have at it. But be prepared to explain to God why you were in rebellion against His Word.
I choose to obey God.
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