Magnetic Poles
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In Biblical times, there was no refrigeration. Fermentation kept the wine from just being spoiled and poison.
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standingfirminChrist
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Magnetic Poles said:
The wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's eyes.
Magnetic Poles
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The Bible doesn't mention socks. Maybe I shouldn't wear them.
Magnetic Poles
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And illogical, disjointed, and flawed arguments are just plain foolish in everyone's eyes, including God's.standingfirminChrist said:
Magnetic Poles
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SFIC, be careful. You don't want to end up like the guys in Romans 1:22.
standingfirminChrist
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Magnetic Poles said:
No refrigeration? Surely you are not serious with that statement?
Books dating back to the first century AD record man keeping things cold. Even Jesus spoke of cold water.
History records that nonfermented wine was put in cold river waters to keep from fermenting. I would say that was a type of refrigerating.
standingfirminChrist
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Magnetic Poles said:
I ain't got to worry about that. But many that argue that evil is good and good is evil sure could end up that way.
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We do know from ancient texts that the earliest beers are Sumerian, from ancient Mesopotamia. Beer appears to have been an important part of Sumerian culture: the word "beer" appears in many contexts relating to religion, medicine and myth. The code of Hammurabi from the 18th c BC details stiff penalties for owners of ancient "brewpubs" who overcharge customers or fail to inform authorities of criminals in their bar.
The artifact shown here, dating to 1800 BC, is etched with a hymn to Ninkasi, the goddess of brewing. (Not to be confused with our own Goddess @ Beer Church.) Its translation (below) describes how bappir, Sumerian bread, is mixed with "aromatics" to ferment in a big vat. It is interesting to note that bappir is a bread stored for long periods of time and is eaten only during food shortages. Yet it is a primary ingredient in the brewing process that supplies the necessary starches for sugar production. This is an effective way of storing raw materials for the brewing of beer. So which came first, the bread or the beer?
The Hymn to Ninkasi
Borne of the flowing water,
Tenderly cared for by the Ninhursag,
Borne of the flowing water,
Tenderly cared for by the Ninhursag,
Having founded your town by the sacred lake,
She finished its great walls for you,
Ninkasi, having founded your town by the sacred lake,
She finished it's walls for you,
Your father is Enki, Lord Nidimmud,
Your mother is Ninti, the queen of the sacred lake.
Ninkasi, your father is Enki, Lord Nidimmud,
Your mother is Ninti, the queen of the sacred lake.
You are the one who handles the dough [and] with a big shovel,
Mixing in a pit, the bappir with sweet aromatics,
Ninkasi, you are the one who handles the dough [and] with a big shovel,
Mixing in a pit, the bappir with [date] - honey,
You are the one who bakes the bappir in the big oven,
Puts in order the piles of hulled grains,
Ninkasi, you are the one who bakes the bappir in the big oven,
Puts in order the piles of hulled grains,
You are the one who waters the malt set on the ground,
The noble dogs keep away even the potentates,
Ninkasi, you are the one who waters the malt set on the ground,
The noble dogs keep away even the potentates,
You are the one who soaks the malt in a jar,
The waves rise, the waves fall.
Ninkasi, you are the one who soaks the malt in a jar,
The waves rise, the waves fall.
You are the one who spreads the cooked mash on large reed mats,
Coolness overcomes,
Ninkasi, you are the one who spreads the cooked mash on large reed mats,
Coolness overcomes,
You are the one who holds with both hands the great sweet wort,
Brewing [it] with honey [and] wine
(You the sweet wort to the vessel)
Ninkasi, (...)(You the sweet wort to the vessel)
The filtering vat, which makes a pleasant sound,
You place appropriately on a large collector vat.
Ninkasi, the filtering vat, which makes a pleasant sound,
You place appropriately on a large collector vat.
When you pour out the filtered beer of the collector vat,
It is [like] the onrush of Tigris and Euphrates.
Ninkasi, you are the one who pours out the filtered beer of the collector vat,
It is [like] the onrush of Tigris and Euphrates.
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We do know from ancient texts that the earliest beers are Sumerian, from ancient Mesopotamia. Beer appears to have been an important part of Sumerian culture: the word "beer" appears in many contexts relating to religion, medicine and myth. The code of Hammurabi from the 18th c BC details stiff penalties for owners of ancient "brewpubs" who overcharge customers or fail to inform authorities of criminals in their bar.
The artifact shown here, dating to 1800 BC, is etched with a hymn to Ninkasi, the goddess of brewing. (Not to be confused with our own Goddess @ Beer Church.) Its translation (below) describes how bappir, Sumerian bread, is mixed with "aromatics" to ferment in a big vat. It is interesting to note that bappir is a bread stored for long periods of time and is eaten only during food shortages. Yet it is a primary ingredient in the brewing process that supplies the necessary starches for sugar production. This is an effective way of storing raw materials for the brewing of beer. So which came first, the bread or the beer?
The Hymn to Ninkasi
Borne of the flowing water,
Tenderly cared for by the Ninhursag,
Borne of the flowing water,
Tenderly cared for by the Ninhursag,
Having founded your town by the sacred lake,
She finished its great walls for you,
Ninkasi, having founded your town by the sacred lake,
She finished it's walls for you,
Your father is Enki, Lord Nidimmud,
Your mother is Ninti, the queen of the sacred lake.
Ninkasi, your father is Enki, Lord Nidimmud,
Your mother is Ninti, the queen of the sacred lake.
You are the one who handles the dough [and] with a big shovel,
Mixing in a pit, the bappir with sweet aromatics,
Ninkasi, you are the one who handles the dough [and] with a big shovel,
Mixing in a pit, the bappir with [date] - honey,
You are the one who bakes the bappir in the big oven,
Puts in order the piles of hulled grains,
Ninkasi, you are the one who bakes the bappir in the big oven,
Puts in order the piles of hulled grains,
You are the one who waters the malt set on the ground,
The noble dogs keep away even the potentates,
Ninkasi, you are the one who waters the malt set on the ground,
The noble dogs keep away even the potentates,
You are the one who soaks the malt in a jar,
The waves rise, the waves fall.
Ninkasi, you are the one who soaks the malt in a jar,
The waves rise, the waves fall.
You are the one who spreads the cooked mash on large reed mats,
Coolness overcomes,
Ninkasi, you are the one who spreads the cooked mash on large reed mats,
Coolness overcomes,
You are the one who holds with both hands the great sweet wort,
Brewing [it] with honey [and] wine
(You the sweet wort to the vessel)
Ninkasi, (...)(You the sweet wort to the vessel)
The filtering vat, which makes a pleasant sound,
You place appropriately on a large collector vat.
Ninkasi, the filtering vat, which makes a pleasant sound,
You place appropriately on a large collector vat.
When you pour out the filtered beer of the collector vat,
It is [like] the onrush of Tigris and Euphrates.
Ninkasi, you are the one who pours out the filtered beer of the collector vat,
It is [like] the onrush of Tigris and Euphrates.
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Magnetic Poles
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Of course there were rivers. I am talking about actual, mechanical refrigeration. Obviously they used cold water to chill down those cans of Bud!
standingfirminChrist
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JerryL said:
Tell you what, JerryL. You cling to the goddess of brewing and believe what man writes about her. I will trust in the Lord my God.
If beer had been around in Bible times, the KJV translators would have included that word in the translating. Since it was not, they did not.
Magnetic Poles
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Take it to the bank. They told us the ancients had no beer and that ethanol cannot freeze. This is a pet issue with them, and no facts or logic or even scripture will sway them. I don't care if they don't drink, but I do care that their self righteous arrogance has blinded them to the point of condemning their brothers & sisters.JerryL said:
Magnetic Poles
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In Heaven there is no beer,
That's why we drink it here!
That's why we drink it here!
Magnetic Poles
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And the BREW-haha continues!
Looked up what the NIV translates as "beer." I think Standing may wish it WERE beer, but the word in the Hebrew is 'shekar', "an intoxicant, that is, intensely alcoholic liquor." That is from Strongs #7941. The NIV is going rather gently, it seems, to translate that word as 'beer'!
standingfirminChrist
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You can post all the foolish writings of man about their gods and goddesses that gave beer to man. They are just products of man's vain imaginations because he did not want to retain the real God in his knowledge. Romans 1?
I will trust God's Word. It is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
I will trust God's Word. It is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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