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savedbymercy

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convicted1 said:
Yes. Never believed otherwise...
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Ok that's who sinned in Adam, the Sons of God ! So the Sons of God that sinned in Adam, God chastens them and brings them to Faith in Christ, the Seed of the Women Gal 3:26 ! That is how the Children of God are manifested 1 John 3:10 !
 
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savedbymercy

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convicted1 said:
Cain was the child of Adam and Eve. He was the product of 'relations'. Then how is he the child of the wicked one?

not as Cain -- of the evil one he was, and he did slay his brother, and wherefore did he slay him? because his works were evil, and those of his brother righteous.(1 John 3:12 YLT)


Cain was of the wicked one in that he served him, as did we when we were sinners. This isn't meant to be literal, but figurtive(sp?), imo...
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Cain was of the Wicked One because Gods word states that he was one ! 1 Jn 3:12 ! Now problem ?
 
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Where's the popcorn? This is kinda amusing....
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savedbymercy

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convicted1 said:
When Adam fell, did only the children of Abel fall?
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When Adam, the Son of God Lk 3:38 fell the Sons of God fell in him as their Natural Federal Head ! Now are all men without exception Sons of God ? The answer is NO ! The Sons of God who were in Adam that sinned shall be revealed by their Faith in Christ who recovers them out of the Fall ! Gal 3:26

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
 
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convicted1

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savedbymercy said:
Ok that's who sinned in Adam, the Sons of God ! So the Sons of God that sinned in Adam, God chastens them and brings them to Faith in Christ, the Seed of the Women Gal 3:26 ! That is how the Children of God are manifested 1 John 3:10 !
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You are advocating the 'serpent seed' doctrine. Just because you state you don't believe Cain is the offspring of Satan and Eve through 'relations', your beliefs are eerily similiar...


'Serpent seed' doctrinal beliefs...

--sons of Cain are the Kenites...

Now, Zipporah was the wife of Moses. Her father, Jethro, was a Kenite. That makes Moses' children part Kenite and part Jewish...

--Cain was the offspring of Satan(serpent in the Garden) and Eve. All of this lineage constitute the Kenites....

Now, getting back to Moses and Zipporah. How do you reconcile this if all of Cain's lineage, viz Moses' and Zipporah's children are descendants of Cain, if Cain's lineage is, indeed, the Kenites?

--All that fell in Adam was of the lineage of Abel. Cain was not of Adam, therefore, he was already cursed, being the offspring of Satan(serpent in the Garden) and Eve...


Again, a lot of the Jews in OT days were of Kenite lineage. Moses was of the tribe of Levi, who were the ones who did the priestly functions. You have Jacob(Israel), Levi, Kohath, Amram, and then Moses. Starting with Kohath, he is the first offspring of the Levites. From Moses going forward, they have Kenite bloodlines, seeing that their matriarch was Zipporah, a Kenite.


Just because you state that you don't believe Eve and Satan(serpent in the Garden) didn't have 'relations' doesn't mean you reject the 'serpent seed' doctrine. It's seeping, oozing through your posts.....
 
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convicted1

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Cain was of the Wicked One because Gods word states that he was one ! 1 Jn 3:12 ! Now problem ?
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I know the word states that. You've stated that a gazillion times now.



Again, how did he become a child of the wicked one? What caused him to become a child of the wicked one?


I want you thoughts, ideas, opinions on how Cain became a child of the wicked one....
 
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convicted1

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All who died in Adam, were all those who were made in Adam in the Image and Likeness of God. That can only apply to the Church, all those who have been predestinated to the Image of Christ ! We dont have any evidence that the non elect, who shall perish, ever were made in the Image and Likeness of God !
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Again, Adam was made in the image of God. After he fell, he marred that image. We now bear Adam's likeness/image, the marred image of God.



I do not mean to offend any on here, so please accept my deepest apology if this does bother someone...


Does this look like 'the image of God'??

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We are tainted through and through by sin.
 
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convicted1

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Listen SBM.....you are drifting away from the safe harbor of scripture. Many of us here believe in the doctrines of grace, election, predestination etc....what you are offering is a bastardized form of the teaching that is not the belief of the Historic church. That is what i mean:wavey:

You need to determine if you want to enter into the mainstream or remain isolated and in opposition to truth:thumbsup::thumbsup:

If you hold anything like the serpent seed doctrine you need to repent and flee from that garbage. Adam and Eve produced Cain.
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Drifting away from the 'safe harbor of scripture'? Brother, SBM's drifting somewhere in the Aegean sea...
 
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savedbymercy

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Again, Adam was made in the image of God. After he fell, he marred that image. We now bear Adam's likeness/image, the marred image of God.



I do not mean to offend any on here, so please accept my deepest apology if this does bother someone...


Does this look like 'the image of God'??

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We are tainted through and through by sin.
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Adam made in Gods Image was the fact that he was made in the Image of Christ whom he was Chosen in, that is why it reads Gen 5:1-2 the Image of God reflected Christ and the Church, Male and Female. Christ is the Image of God 2 Cor 4:4 for naturally Adam was not in the Image of God, it was by His Union with Christ ,the God who Created Him ! The fall did not mar God's Image that is blasphemy, Gods Image is manifested through the Fall and New Birth of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:18 ! You are far from the Truth !
 
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Adam made in Gods Image was the fact that he was made in the Image of Christ whom he was Chosen in, that is why it reads Gen 5:1-2 the Image of God reflected Christ and the Church, Male and Female. Christ is the Image of God 2 Cor 4:4 for naturally Adam was not in the Image of God, it was by His Union with Christ ,the God who Created Him ! The fall did not mar God's Image that is blasphemy, Gods Image is manifested through the Fall and New Birth of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:18 ! You are far from the Truth !
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First off, your 'eternal justification' is way off base, way off sound biblical doctrine....


Now, let's delve into the verses you offered....


in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;(2 Cor. 4:4 YLT)

Agreed that Christ is the image of God. Adam was the image of God prior to the fall. After the fall, that image was defiled, marred, broken, through and by sin. We now bear the image of Adam, the marred image of Christ. The first Adam is of the earth, earthy, the last Adam a quickening Spirit.


and we all, with unvailed face, the glory of the Lord beholding in a mirror, to the same image are being transformed, from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.(2 Cor. 3:18 YLT)

So our fleshy man is being molded? Does God work to make us look different? What you are missing here is that God works to change the appearance of the inner man, the soul and spirit of a man. When that man grows in grace, knowledge and truth, it continues to bring the outer man into subjection when the flesh rears its ugly head. This isn't talking about our physical bodies, but the soul, spirit inside a man....
 
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SBM is promoting something 'serpent seedish'...
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I said this on post #61 pg. 7....



If was after this initial post of mine confronting you about the 'serpent seed' doctrine you deny in believing, you stated this, SBM...

Posted by SBM Have you ever heard of the Children of the wicked one Matt 13:38 , 39 ?
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I then said this....
Posted by C1 So, did the serpent have 'relations' with Eve and Cain is the child of him and Eve? That is what the 'serpent seed' doctrine is....
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You then stated this....
Posted by SBM I don't believe that ! But I do believe in the Children of the Wicked One Matt 13:38-39 ! Are you going to evade those scriptures ?
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I then asked you this....
Posted by C1 How are they the children of the wicked one? That's what I am asking you. I want some clarification from you.
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Then you posted all of these after I asked you to state what you mean by Cain being a seed of the wicked one....


All these posted by SBM

--What do you mean ? What did I just post ? What does Gen 4:1 say ? Cain, who was of the wicked one, was a product of Adam and Eve having relations, That's what I believe ! Now if you keep misrepresenting what I said, this will be over with with you, you understand ?

--Do you believe that the Children of the Wicked One are made in the image of God, yes or no !

--The scripture says that Cain was of the wicked one 1 Jn 3:12 and the scripture says that Cain was a product of Adam and Eve having relations Gen 4:1 ! So why keep asking me the same question ! Do you believe that the Children of the Wicked One were made in the Image of God and His likeness ? Yes or No !

--So you believe that the Children of the Wicked One were made in the Image and likeness of God ! Correct ?

--I just told you how cain was the child of the wicked one and how he came into the world !

--Adam was a Son of God Lk 3:38 ! So they who he represents were Sons of God also !

--The Sons of God in their natural head Adam are who sinned in Adam !

--Was Adam the first man a son of God Lk 3:38 ?

--Ok that's who sinned in Adam, the Sons of God ! So the Sons of God that sinned in Adam, God chastens them and brings them to Faith in Christ, the Seed of the Women Gal 3:26 ! That is how the Children of God are manifested 1 John 3:10 ! {emphasis mine here....this is heretical to the very core.}

--Cain was of the Wicked One because Gods word states that he was one ! 1 Jn 3:12 ! Now problem ?

--When Adam, the Son of God Lk 3:38 fell the Sons of God fell in him as their Natural Federal Head ! Now are all men without exception Sons of God ? The answer is NO ! The Sons of God who were in Adam that sinned shall be revealed by their Faith in Christ who recovers them out of the Fall ! Gal 3:26

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

--Adam made in Gods Image was the fact that he was made in the Image of Christ whom he was Chosen in, that is why it reads Gen 5:1-2 the Image of God reflected Christ and the Church, Male and Female. Christ is the Image of God 2 Cor 4:4 for naturally Adam was not in the Image of God, it was by His Union with Christ ,the God who Created Him ! The fall did not mar God's Image that is blasphemy, Gods Image is manifested through the Fall and New Birth of the Spirit 2 Cor 3:18 ! You are far from the Truth !
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I have asked you many times to answer how Cain became a son of the wicked one.

--Is it by birth? If so, then if he's the offspring of Adam and Eve(as you stated he is), then what caused him to be the son of the wicked one?

--Was it sometime after birth? if so, what caused him to become the child of the wicked one?


I am wanting you to exegete the biblical passages you offered...is that too much to ask from you?
 
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