Women, Stop Submitting to Men

[Christos doulos]

The word for head can have many meanings such as the word "bat" does. In that case the head is the same word used as the head of a river. It is the source or starting point of a river. In society the husband is the stronger in society and he is her source of encouragement. In almost any society the men speak with a louder voice and tend to dominate society. Men can be tyrants or encouragers in society through their leadership and dominance. It is the same way in the home. Being the head is not so much about being in charge and the authority.

Being head is like the point man in a platoon, willing to take that first bullet fired by the enemy.

 

[gb93433]

Being head is like the point man in a platoon, willing to take that first bullet fired by the enemy.

That is not the context of scripture. That is the context of what comes from Catholicism so prevalent in America today.

 

[agedman]

That is not the context of scripture. That is the context of what comes from Catholicism so prevalent in America today.

I am not certain (I presume because of my lack of history on the BB) what your response to the post means.


I assume you were responding to: Originally Posted by Christos doulos
"Being head is like the point man in a platoon, willing to take that first bullet fired by the enemy."

 

[righteousdude2]

Ditto...

Amen! The order I submit to:

* Jesus Christ

* My husband

* My boss (for work related things only)

* My pastor (who happens to be my boss as well- but only in matters of church issues and discipline)

Oh - and in there are police on civil matters and then anyone else in other situations where there needs to be authority (for example, if I'm at the yacht club and the manager states that I cannot go into the dining room in jeans, I must submit to that authority but he cannot tell me to go do his laundry LOL)

We can always count on Anne to respond in wisdow!

 

[righteousdude2]

Amen to that...

Sometimes I get the feeling that some people on this board truly believe that when they post they have established some truth that is set in stone. And it seems some are looking to gain influence in the Christian community by posting their obsessions on the internet.

This is just a forum for personal use. Making false claims of orthodoxy does not make it anymore true on this forum or anywhere on the internet. The theological left has been deluding themselves for years in trying to set them selves up as believable and common.

Throwing terms around like "Evangelical" and "Orthodox" does nothing to create truth. And those who are actually these things feels no need to wip them out like a six shooter in a gun fight. We just are and already know it.

How close you are to seeing the truth right before your nose! :wavey:

 

[Gina B]

Why on earth would any woman not want to submit to her husband, if he is a good husband?
Not only does it mean less work for the woman, it means that if he gets the final decision and it is wrong, she doesn't have to bear the burden for that decision.

Seems to me that any woman with more than half a brain would be more than happy to "submit!"

(says the woman who tears up every time she posts because she has to hit a button that says "submit" and she doesn't want to :laugh: )

 

[jonathan.borland]

I'll state my take very succinctly:

Women, practice mutual submission with your spouse. Your husband is not any more your authority than you are his.

This is a very unbiblical statement. What do you think "head" means in Eph 5:23 and "submit" in 5:24?

Sincerely,

Jonathan C. Borland

 

[annsni]

Why on earth would any woman not want to submit to her husband, if he is a good husband?
Not only does it mean less work for the woman, it means that if he gets the final decision and it is wrong, she doesn't have to bear the burden for that decision.

Seems to me that any woman with more than half a brain would be more than happy to "submit!"

(says the woman who tears up every time she posts because she has to hit a button that says "submit" and she doesn't want to :laugh: )

The key is to marry a man who is worthy of submitting to. I teach my daughters to never date a man who does not submit to the Lord in everything because that is the kind of man who would be difficult to submit to. I know my husband loves the Lord and seeks to please Him and submit to Him and so that makes me have confidence in him. This is so vital as a woman of God.

 

[jonathan.borland]

Eph. 5:21, "and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ." That verse does not have a verb and is a transition between the previous passage and the following passage.

It may be a transition but it is subordinate to being filled with the Spirit in 5:18, just as "saying" (5:19), "singing" (5:19), and "giving thanks" (5:20) are. "Wives" (5:22) begins a new sentence, just as "husbands" in 5:25, "children" in 6:1, and "slaves" in 6:5. This is how Westcott and Hort punctuated the text, and it appears to be how basically everyone throughout history has punctuated the text until recent times (even Nestle-Aland didn't punctuate it differently until their 26th edition!).

Sincerely,

Jonathan C. Borland

 

[Michael Wrenn]

This is a very unbiblical statement. What do you think "head" means in Eph 5:23 and "submit" in 5:24?

Sincerely,

Jonathan C. Borland

Read all of this article: http://www.cbeinternational.org/?q=content/i-believe-male-headship

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I am posting in this thread because I am a member of a Baptist church. Hope this is acceptable.

 

[preacher4truth]

I'll state my take very succinctly:

Women, practice mutual submission with your spouse. Your husband is not any more your authority than you are his.

jaignor your interpretations continue to be in error. But as you say, it's your take, not the Word of God. Therein lies most of your problem.

 

[mandym]

Ungodly Feminism is still having its repercussions in the church

 

[convicted1]

Women, stop submitting to your husbands, But after you fixed them their fried bologna sandwich and cleaned up the kitchen, okay? :laugh:


ducking the flying utensils now...

 

[jaigner]

This is a very unbiblical statement.

Not really. Paul was speaking into a specific context. The Biblical account is still useful for us today, but we have to actually interpret it.

jaignor your interpretations continue to be in error. But as you say, it's your take, not the Word of God. Therein lies most of your problem.

And that is your take on me, which I deem to be in error. See how this works? Oh, and I don't recall saying it wasn't the Bible. I believe my position to actually be faithful to the entire witness of Scripture. Read some of the great scholarship on the subject by N.T. Wright or Webb or Stackhouse. I'm sure you're familiar with them from your time in seminary.

Ungodly Feminism is still having its repercussions in the church

I am an evangelical feminist because that is the witness of the Bible. I am NOT in line with the radical feminists of the past half-decade, nor do I share their positions on much of anything.

But, since your whole point is to make passive-aggressive statements like this, you're going to keep doing it. I might as well save my breath.

Women, stop submitting to your husbands, But after you fixed them their fried bologna sandwich and cleaned up the kitchen, okay?

Fried bologna?

Your arteries made of iron!?!?!

 

[agedman]

I am an evangelical feminist because that is the witness of the Bible. I am NOT in line with the radical feminists of the past half-decade, nor do I share their positions on much of anything.

Paul said the woman is to silent in the church.

How does that work with an evangelical feminist?

Are you like a Joyce Meyer and ignore Scriptures that don't fit what she desires?

 

[gb93433]

It may be a transition but it is subordinate to being filled with the Spirit in 5:18, just as "saying" (5:19), "singing" (5:19), and "giving thanks" (5:20) are. "Wives" (5:22) begins a new sentence, just as "husbands" in 5:25, "children" in 6:1, and "slaves" in 6:5. This is how Westcott and Hort punctuated the text, and it appears to be how basically everyone throughout history has punctuated the text until recent times (even Nestle-Aland didn't punctuate it differently until their 26th edition!).

Eph. 5:21 is not a sentence but a participal phrase. In Greek it is a method of creating a transition betwen the previous and following passage. In effect tying them together. At the end of verse 21 is a comma in the NA text. There is no period until the end of verse 24.

 

[Gina B]

Women, stop submitting to your husbands, But after you fixed them their fried bologna sandwich and cleaned up the kitchen, okay? :laugh:


ducking the flying utensils now...

Excuse me, but I LOVE cooking for my husband and cleaning the kitchen!

It saves him just enough energy and time to do the laundry, vacuum the living room, scrub the bathroom, and make the bed while I'm in the kitchen. :saint:

 

[DaChaser1]

Not really. Paul was speaking into a specific context. The Biblical account is still useful for us today, but we have to actually interpret it.

This area is NOT based upon the particular situation of the time of paul, NOT based upona cultural mandate, but is a timeless biblical principle!

And that is your take on me, which I deem to be in error. See how this works? Oh, and I don't recall saying it wasn't the Bible. I believe my position to actually be faithful to the entire witness of Scripture. Read some of the great scholarship on the subject by N.T. Wright or Webb or Stackhouse. I'm sure you're familiar with them from your time in seminary.

Interesting that you would be quoting those or just might have a problem with the scriptures being fully inerrant/inpired, and whose deisered stated goals is to 'correct" the Church misunderstanding of topic forpast 2000 yrs?

I am an evangelical feminist because that is the witness of the Bible. I am NOT in line with the radical feminists of the past half-decade, nor do I share their positions on much of anything.

You would be deny the biblcal doctrine of submission/subordination, so that qualifies you as being in JSUT the feminist camp, not the "Evangelical" one!

But, since your whole point is to make passive-aggressive statements like this, you're going to keep doing it. I might as well save my breath.



Fried bologna?

Your arteries made of iron!?!?!

Think that you need to realise that your posting are NOT in Evangelical camp, at least not in the conservative wing of it!

 

[gb93433]

Paul said the woman is to silent in the church.

How does that work with an evangelical feminist?

Are you like a Joyce Meyer and ignore Scriptures that don't fit what she desires?

How does men who are apathetic fit in with what scripture teaches?

Over the past few years I have read that the estimate of churches plagued by antagonists is 70 to 80%. Where are the men who will stand up and be counted?