Worship leader

[Salty]

The first time I heard of someone with the title minister of music being ordained, it was someone who had first held the title while serving as a music director with no mentioned of a calling in the ministerial sense. That changed with ordination to make him a minister with tax filing benefits rather than just a church employee.

So now we know the real reason - TAX DEDUCTION!!!

 

[rlvaughn]

It was in that case.

 

[JamesL]

So why do we call them worship leaders? Are we saying that only the music is worship?​

This is the whole issue, in my opinion.

If you gather a congregation for any purpose whatsoever, they'll only say they "worshipped" if there was singing.

Bible study, preaching, food drive, clothing drive, prayer walk, none of that TRUE worship is called "worship" and sure isn't led by any so-called worship leader.

I told my pastor that if he were to call every person he knows who's ever been considered a worship leader, and invite them to so-and-so's house for worship, every one would show up with a musical instrument.

I've been asked why I don't "follow along" with a so-called worship leader's prompting, such as standing or raising hands or closing eyes, etc....

My response is when that guy (or gal) learns that worship is much more than simply music, and starts leading real worship, I'll follow along.

Until then, don't pretend you're leading, and I won't pretend to follow

 

[Reynolds]

THAT was one of the reasons we left the non-denominational fellowship we were worshipping at...it was like being at a rock concert every Sunday morning. No thanks. I really don't think earth shattering volume is really necessary...especially not on a Sunday morning.

THAT was one of the reasons we left the non-denominational fellowship we were worshipping at...it was like being at a rock concert every Sunday morning. No thanks. I really don't think earth shattering volume is really necessary...especially not on a Sunday morning.

Sunday morning is the best time to praise The Lord in earnest. That praise takes different forms for different people. Not wrong or right, just different. To me, the older I get, the more modern I like. The hymns have their place. They contain some wonderful doctrine. Unfortunately, they do nothing to light my spiritual fire.

 

[saved41199]

If you gather a congregation for any purpose whatsoever, they'll only say they "worshipped" if there was singing.

That makes me CRAZY! Just because it's SO WRONG!

To me, the older I get, the more modern I like. The hymns have their place. They contain some wonderful doctrine. Unfortunately, they do nothing to light my spiritual fire.

That's up to you...you can find just about any church that will play their rock concerts on Sunday morning. They'll call it worship and pretend that's all worshipping the Lord is.

 

[Reynolds]

That's up to you...you can find just about any church that will play their rock concerts on Sunday morning. They'll call it worship and pretend that's all worshipping the Lord is.

I guess you are the final authority on what is and what is not true worship? You conveniently omitted part of my post.

 

[InTheLight]

I guess you are the final authority on what is and what is not true worship? You conveniently omitted part of my post.

It is amazing that people purport to tell others they are not worshipping correctly.

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[saved41199]

I guess you are the final authority on what is and what is not true worship? You conveniently omitted part of my post.

No, I quoted the part I was responding to...and again, if you want to "worship" at a rock concert have at it. However, there's more to worship than 4 songs at ear shattering volume...

 

[Reynolds]

No, I quoted the part I was responding to...and again, if you want to "worship" at a rock concert have at it. However, there's more to worship than 4 songs at ear shattering volume...

Music style is a personal preference. Different styles minister to different people. I actually opposed modern worship music at one time. I then saw how that music led to huge growth in youth in our church. I then actually started liking the music. For the record, I still do not like Skillet or Decypher Down, but if that is what it took to reach the next generation, I would gladly listen to it.

 

[JamesL]

Music style is a personal preference. Different styles minister to different people. I actually opposed modern worship music at one time. I then saw how that music led to huge growth in youth in our church. I then actually started liking the music. For the record, I still do not like Skillet or Decypher Down, but if that is what it took to reach the next generation, I would gladly listen to it.

I like when hyms of yesteryear are set to modern accompaniment, like when Casting Crowns did "Glorious Day"

I really like theology set to music.

 

[Reynolds]

I like when hyms of yesteryear are set to modern accompaniment, like when Casting Crowns did "Glorious Day"

I really like theology set to music.

Me too. A lot of the new music has profound meaning, if people listen to the words.

 

[InTheLight]

Me too. A lot of the new music has profound meaning, if people listen to the words.

Some of it does have meaning and some of it is repetitious. I used to be critical of the repetitious lyrics until I found myself reciting the lyrics to "the Gospel changes everything, the turning point of history" in my mind for most of a Sunday. I figured that was a good thing to have on my mind.

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[InTheLight]

I like when hyms of yesteryear are set to modern accompaniment, like when Casting Crowns did "Glorious Day"

I really like theology set to music.

Yeah, I love that song.

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[Reynolds]

Some of it does have meaning and some of it is repetitious. I used to be critical of the repetitious lyrics until I found myself reciting the lyrics to "the Gospel changes everything, the turning point of history" in my mind for most of a Sunday. I figured that was a good thing to have on my mind.

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Some of it does have meaning and some of it is repetitious. I used to be critical of the repetitious lyrics until I found myself reciting the lyrics to "the Gospel changes everything, the turning point of history" in my mind for most of a Sunday. I figured that was a good thing to have on my mind.

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I agree. The term here for repetitive songs is "10 40 music." It means 10 words sung 40 times. Sometimes the repetitive music ministers to me, it usually annoys me. My thoughts have always been that most times repetitive music is played because it is much easier to learn than 4 or 5 full verses to a real song.

 

[Deacon]

Biblical Standards for a worship leader

• A Godly man between the ages of 32 and 50 (not too young, not too old)
• Approved by the leadership that I approve of
• Absolutely must be able to sing the low notes but with no facial hair
• Athletic between 150 and 175 lbs.
• Only sings the songs I like
• Loves to wave arms in time to music when in front of podium but not during prayer or when sitting or standing in the congregation
• Must own at least 2 suit jackets
• Doesn’t tolerate drums
• Available for every and all services
• Doesn’t accept payment for services rendered
• Oh yeah, and humble

Of course this was written in jest.
We've got a worship leader that's:

• Younger than 30.
• A tenor with a full dark beard
• Sings a lot of new stuff
• Encourages us to clap
• I've never seen him in a suit
• Uses drums of various kinds
• Is not available for every service (most)
• Paid staff member
• Humble

More importantly he knows the Lord and desires that others know him too!

Rob

 

[InTheLight]

We had a moving baptismal service today as our worship leader baptized his teenaged daughter on Father's Day. Praise the Lord!

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[Reynolds]

My big gripe is that I do not like lukewarme music, aka compromise music. If you want hymns with just a piano, wonderful. If you want a full band that shakes the building, wonderful. (I prefer the very loud band playing ultra modern) when a music director tries to blend old and modern, they simply ruin both. Instead of making everyone happy, they make almost everyone unhappy. We can't please everyone. Identify your target audience and minister to them. Lukewarm simply messes it all up for everyone.

 

[rlvaughn]

I care not for lukewarm church music, but neither do I find anything about entertaining an audience in the New Testament exhortations on church music -- Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16.

 

[blessedwife318]

My big gripe is that I do not like lukewarme music, aka compromise music. If you want hymns with just a piano, wonderful. If you want a full band that shakes the building, wonderful. (I prefer the very loud band playing ultra modern) when a music director tries to blend old and modern, they simply ruin both. Instead of making everyone happy, they make almost everyone unhappy. We can't please everyone. Identify your target audience and minister to them. Lukewarm simply messes it all up for everyone.

The target audience of worship (and no I'm not just talking about music here) is God. The church was never meant to be divided by age, or race, or culture etc.

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[Reynolds]

The target audience of worship (and no I'm not just talking about music here) is God. The church was never meant to be divided by age, or race, or culture etc.

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The target is the hearts of man. Worship must begin in the heart. God is the object of worship. Worship music is supposed to place man in a worshipful state.
What a church is supposed to do is bring up the next generation to serve Christ. What often happens is older members with deep pockets want to be served by the church, instead of them being servants to the next generation." Me and my money are going elsewhere if you don't serve me." Heck with the next generation, make me happy.