Would God command men to do something they were unable to do?

[Brother Bob]

A friend just called and told me to look at this article by R C Sproul. It gets to the heart of the OP.

What Is Pelagianism?
Now, let’s return briefly to my title, “The Pelagian Captivity of the Church.” What are we talking about? Pelagius was a monk who lived in Britain in the fifth century. He was a contemporary of the greatest theologian of the first millennium of Church history if not of all time, Aurelius Augustine, Bishop of Hippo in North Africa. We have heard of St. Augustine, of his great works in theology, of his City of God, of his Confessions, and so on, which remain Christian classics.
Augustine, in addition to being a titanic theologian and a prodigious intellect, was also a man of deep spirituality and prayer. In one of his famous prayers, Augustine made a seemingly harmless and innocuous statement in the prayer to God in which he says: “O God, command what you wouldst, and grant what thou dost command.”

So then, you and your friend should have no problem with all men everywhere repenting being that God Command all men to repent. That my friend is universalism.

I just asking if you think God told the truth here or not. Maybe you could ask your friend?

1.Gen 26:5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws

You can run all over the place but all you have to do is answer the question is God telling false or not. Also, it seems according to your friend that they all heard what Peliguis said so did they all hear what God Commanded when He commanded all men to repent? Simple question.

ASK YOUR FRIEND MAYBE HE CAN HELP !

 

[reformedbeliever]

So then, you and your friend should have no problem with all men everywhere repenting being that God Command all men to repent. That my friend is universalism.

I just asking if you think God told the truth here or not. Maybe you could ask your friend?

1.Gen 26:5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws

You can run all over the place but all you have to do is answer the question is God telling false or not. Also, it seems according to your friend that they all heard what Peliguis said so did they all hear what God Commanded when He commanded all men to repent? Simple question.

ASK YOUR FRIEND MAYBE HE CAN HELP !

How sir.... could you get that out of that article? That is beyond me truly. You sir... are intellectually dishonest. You refuse to answer questons honestly, and then really expect people to just jump through hoops and answer your intellectually dishonest questions? Give me a break. Bye

 

[Jarthur001]

Yea, you got slapped good. You never did answer if God commands all men to repent does all men hear the command and if not how can they be commanded.
Also, You never answered if you agreed with God or not on whether Abraham kept the Commandments, Statues and Law?
[/I]

You got to be kidding. Sin is sin Bob. All have sinned.

Your last 4 pages of post on this thread, simply shows once again, your dogma characteristic and views of how YOU see the Bible as a whole. You look at one verse and translate the rest of Gods Word around it. This is just poor doctrine. If you think you got one over on someone, you are only fooling yourself.

 

[Jarthur001]

So then, you and your friend should have no problem with all men everywhere repenting being that God Command all men to repent. That my friend is universalism.

I just asking if you think God told the truth here or not. Maybe you could ask your friend?

1.Gen 26:5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws

You can run all over the place but all you have to do is answer the question is God telling false or not. Also, it seems according to your friend that they all heard what Peliguis said so did they all hear what God Commanded when He commanded all men to repent? Simple question.

ASK YOUR FRIEND MAYBE HE CAN HELP !

...you are funny Bob. You must be joking...I know you could not mean this.

 

[reformedbeliever]

...you are funny Bob. You must be joking...I know you could not mean this for real.

Did you read Sproul's article James? It truly answers the OP. I can't believe my friend called and told me about the article. He didn't know about this thread on the bb. The article is so true and relevant to our churches today. I encourage you to read it. We will not have revival in our land as long as this Pelagianism is being preached and taught in our churches the way it is today. I agree with Sproul. There is nothing semi about it.

 

[Brother Bob]

Still no answer I see. You can't answer it would destroy your Calvinist veiw.:laugh:

 

[Jarthur001]

Did you read Sproul's article James? It truly answers the OP. I can't believe my friend called and told me about the article. He didn't know about this thread on the bb. The article is so true and relevant to our churches today. I encourage you to read it. We will not have revival in our land as long as this Pelagianism is being preached and taught in our churches the way it is today. I agree with Sproul. There is nothing semi about it.

Yes...I have been saying this for a year now. There are a few on this very BB that post as if they are full blown Pelagian's and think nothing of it. I don't think they have a clue where this leads if they follow it to its end, or they would not say such things. I may start a thread to address this next week.

 

[Brother Bob]

If only the truth were known. You could see just how hypocritical some are.

 

[DHK]

Concerning the OP, in another thread I made the statement that God would not command man to do something that was impossible for him to do. It was in the context of repentance. Many Baptists mistakenly make the statement: "You must repent of all your sins." That is an impossibility, and the NT teaches no such thing. It is unbiblical and an impossibility. In that context God would never require such a thing. Can any of you even remember all the sins that you have ever committed from birth up to this point (or up to the point of your salvation) so that you would have been able to confess each and every one of them and then repent of each and every one of them. You cannot remember every sin that you have committed let alone repent of them. It is unbliblical to say: "Repent of all your sins." The Bible doesn't teach that. It is an impossibility.

Repentance is a change of mind toward God. Once I was rebellious in my attitude toward God. I lived a sinful lifestyle in rebellion to God. Then I came to Christ. In repentance I had a change of mind in my attitude toward God. I repented from my rebellion and sinflul life, and repented toward God to live for Him on the basis of the sacrifice of Christ. Repentance is always towards God. It is a change of mind in one's attitude towards God.
Never does God command one "to repent of all their sins."
DHK

 

[Jarthur001]

Still no answer I see. You can't answer it would destroy your Calvinist veiw.:laugh:

I have answered bob...3 times. You did not like what I said...so I asked you to answer. What you said was a just poor. I showed where you are wrong. Still no reply from you on this.

Unless you have something new other then asking to reply to something I have replied to 3 times already...I see no need to even read your post. If you do not like what I said..so be it. But I gave a answer more then one time.

Are you trying to close another thread? What will this be for you? are you up to 1000 closed thread yet?

 

[Jarthur001]

If only the truth were known. You could see just how hypocritical some are.

Amen to this.

 

[Brother Bob]

Unless you have something new other then asking to reply to something I have replied to 3 times already...I see no need to even read your post. If you do not like what I said..so be it. But I gave a answer more then one time.

Are you trying to close another thread? What will this be for you? are you up to 1000 closed thread yet?

Remarks like this is what gets the thread closed. You are the accuser of adhominem when you turn out to be the cheif adhominem.
You can't answer so you make foolish remarks. I don't close threads. The moderators do when you get out of line. Looks like DHK believes God does not command a man to do something that is impossible for him to do.

I just wish you would answer two question with yes or no.

1. When God commanded all men to repent did they all at some time hear that command?

2. Do you believe God when He says Abraham kept His Commandments, Statues and Laws?

Yes or No Jamie?

You can't answer without giving away the store and not man enough to tell it like it is.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Remarks like this is what gets the thread closed. You are the accuser of adhominem when you turn out to be the cheif adhominem.
You can't answer so you make foolish remarks. I don't close threads. The moderators do when you get out of line. Looks like DHK believes God does not command a man to do something that is impossible for him to do.

I just wish you would answer two question with yes or no.

1. When God commanded all men to repent did they all at some time hear that command?

2. Do you believe God when He says Abraham kept His Commandments, Statues and Laws?

Yes or No Jamie?

You can't answer without giving away the store and not man enough to tell it like it is.

Not man enough? Who do you think you are? You come across as some school yard bully! Are you a pastor? I pitty your church.

 

[Brother Bob]

Not man enough? Who do you think you are? You come across as some school yard bully! Are you a pastor? I pitty your church.

Read this and then ask yourself why you are accusing me of being mean.

Hate to tell you this Reformed but this is a sign of losing the debate.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Read this and then ask yourself why you are accusing me of being mean.

Hate to tell you this Reformed but this is a sign of losing the debate.

I have absolutely no problem loosing a debate bob. You win. Happy?
I'd prefer to learn something from a debate, rather than to think I had to win it. You have a pride problem bob. That is why you have a problem with the sovereignty of God in all things. Lets put bob on a pedestal now folks...... he's the great theologian of the 21st. century. When is your first book due to be published bob?

 

[Brother Bob]

I will pray for you that God will give you peace.

 

[reformedbeliever]

I will pray for you that God will give you peace.

Well thank you bob... I appreciate that. Now, when you pray that God will give me peace, do you expect Him to violate my free will to do that? I hope so. I'm praying for you bob.... and I even believe that God can change your heart bob...... He's in that business

 

[Brother Bob]

He gave me a heart of flesh over 34 years ago. Thank you though. You have a good day Reformed and if you would accept the truth you did learn something.

 

[Jarthur001]

Remarks like this is what gets the thread closed. You are the accuser of adhominem when you turn out to be the cheif adhominem.
You can't answer so you make foolish remarks. I don't close threads. The moderators do when you get out of line. Looks like DHK believes God does not command a man to do something that is impossible for him to do.

I just wish you would answer two question with yes or no.

1. When God commanded all men to repent did they all at some time hear that command?

2. Do you believe God when He says Abraham kept His Commandments, Statues and Laws?

Yes or No Jamie?

You can't answer without giving away the store and not man enough to tell it like it is.

again..

1..i am not all men....and this no one but God can answer. I can guess. And my guess is no.

2. I believe all of the Bible, including this verse.

Now let me ask you again...which you have yet to answer.

The OP asked..Would God command men to do something they were unable to do?

Do you believe both of these statements?

1...All men sin including the believer.

2...God said we are not to sin.

yes or no

Also added after I posted....please anwser these 3 bob the man.

1...Abraham lied when he was a believer.

2...To lie is to break the Law.

3...To lie is to sin.

yes or no bob the man

 

[Brother Bob]

1..i am not all men....and this no one but God can answer. I can guess. And my guess is no.
(I don't believe it is a command unless the recipeit hears.)

2. I believe all of the Bible, including this verse.
(Then you believe Abraham kept the Law, of which you said before they couldn't keep the Law, so you had it wrong before.)

Now let me ask you again...which you have yet to answer.

The OP asked..Would God command men to do something they were unable to do?

No, I don't think so. He may have to do His part first or last but what He commandeds then Man can do.

Do you believe both of these statements?

1...All men sin including the believer.
(yes, but that which is bor nof God cannot sin which the inward part, also there is a sin and there is a sin unto death. I don't believe a believer can sin unto death.)

2...God said we are not to sin.

yes or no (Yes and inwardly we don't)

Also added after I posted....please anwser these 3 bob the man.

1...Abraham lied when he was a believer. (not sure what state he was in the time he lied)

2...To lie is to break the Law.
(Yes, so he must of not been saved at that time, for God Himself said he kept the Law and I figure God knew better than you or I.)

3...To lie is to sin.
(yes)

yes or no bob the man

You stated above that God is truthful and Abraham did keep the Law. Sure hope you are not going to call God a liar now. Under the Law was different than to have the Holy Ghost indwelt in you as we have today and they fell from time to time but according to God, Abraham finished up keeping the Law.