Would Issuing a Marriage License to Gays ..... be a Sin?

[carpro]

Are you an agent of the government? If so, will administrating the law cause harm? If so, then resign and protest the law.

And resignation is your only option, even though the job description changed after you took the job?

What are you going to do when the government refuses to let you resign, and instead either sues you to perform, or fines you if you don't?

 

[Baptist Believer]

And resignation is your only option, even though the job description changed after you took the job?

Laws change all the time. Deal with it.

In private employment, rules change. Get over it or find another job.

That's life.

What are you going to do when the government refuses to let you resign, and instead either sues you to perform, or fines you if you don't?

In what fevered dream would such a thing happen? The only ones who would be in a position of forced compliance to act as an agent of government would be someone in the military. Even the President can resign.

 

[McCree79]

Laws change all the time. Deal with it.

In private employment, rules change. Get over it or find another job.

That's life.


In what fevered dream would such a thing happen? The only ones who would be in a position of forced compliance to act as an agent of government would be someone in the military. Even the President can resign.

Executive order 13603. At anytime the President can force labor. Take control of about anything. Food, energy, water, transportation and labor. They have the authority to use the military draft and then place those drafted in the work force. You can't resign if the order is executed.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

 

[Zaac]

It's not about the issuer's turning gay or having fainting spell. It is about them doing something that is against their conscience. Per Romans, if they have doubts and issue, they sin.

Then by all means resign and don't do it. But the actual issuing of the license isn't a sin any more than feeding an illegal immigrant would be sin.

They are following their faith per the guide of Romans 14. Which, I think you agree with at least the last half of this. As said prior in this thread, by Tad, what does not proceed from faith is a sin. They should not issue, if that is their consciencece.

I agree. And if they can't do what the position requires and HAS required, then they should resign.

 

[Zaac]

So anything the state orders you to do is not a sin?

:laugh: Pitiful. Really. You should be ashamed.

It's you who should be ashamed for continuing to put forth such pitiful, dishonorable, lies. But that's pretty consistent with your character or lack thereof.:thumbsup:

 

[Crabtownboy]

The license is only for the State to recognize and regulate marriage and divorce. There is nothing in the Bible about a marriage license.

 

[Zaac]

Of course. He believes it's OK to to facillitate the sin of others if the government orders you to. Anything goes as long as the government tells you to do it.

Another bold face dishonorable lie. I look at your avatar and certainly hope you were never a Marine because you're embarassing.

What sin are you facilitating by giving out a marriage license?

But the Bible clearly tells us differently and is replete with examples of believers who obeyed God rather than the government.

You just please show us where God's word says "Thous shall not pass out marriage licenses". :thumbsup:

 

[Zaac]

The license is only for the State to recognize and regulate marriage and divorce. There is nothing in the Bible about a marriage license.

Thank you CTB. But you, I and everybody else is aware of this. You've just got some folks who feel like if they make it into a sin, well that just shuts up any discussion about the clerks not doing the job they were elected to do.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Executive order 13603. At anytime the President can force labor. Take control of about anything. Food, energy, water, transportation and labor. They have the authority to use the military draft and then place those drafted in the work force. You can't resign if the order is executed.

The Executive Order can be effective in the event of a national emergency. That's quite a bit different than "anytime."

The government has had the authority to draft since the Civil War, if I recall correctly. That hasn't changed.

If this ever happens, we can talk about what to do.

It has not happened, and has nothing to do with the position of a county clerk issuing marriage licenses.

What's next? Adolf Hitler brought back to life through genetic engineering? Aliens flying in from other planets and ruling over us?

This is pretty close to foolish babbling warned about in scripture.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes Christians should be able to work in the county clerk's office without having to issue licenses to perverted people habits.

 

[Zaac]

And resignation is your only option, even though the job description changed after you took the job?

What are you going to do when the government refuses to let you resign, and instead either sues you to perform, or fines you if you don't?

Whose job description changed? Did the clerks ask if they were only going to issue heterosexual marriage licenses before they were elected?

Their job descriptions are still the same. They issue marriage licenses just as they did before the SCOTUS decision.

 

[Zaac]

Yes Christians should be able to work in the county clerk's office without having to issue licenses to perverted people habits.

Unfortunately not if their convictions prevent them from doing the job they were elected or appointed to do.

 

[revmwc]

That seems to be what County Clerks and others in that office around the country are in fact stating by refusing to issue a license!

What say you? If you were behind the counter and had the opportunity to issue or not issue a marriage license, WHAT WOULD YOU DO (and why)? And if you issued it, would that be making you part of their sinful act? :wavey:

1 Corinthians 5:1-6:
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Seems Paul told the church at Corinthians to turn away and not support fornication that is sin. What is greater than this abomination as God calls it.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

2 Peter 2:6-8;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

Seems that Lot not speaking out against them thus supporting their deeds caused "vexed his righteous soul from day to day"

Would this apply to those who will not issue a marriage license? If they don't speak out against it don't they vex their righteous souls, and would issuing a marriage license constitute support of the very marriage that is for the abomination the wickedness of it?

 

[McCree79]

The Executive Order can be effective in the event of a national emergency. That's quite a bit different than "anytime."

The government has had the authority to draft since the Civil War, if I recall correctly. That hasn't changed.

If this ever happens, we can talk about what to do.

It has not happened, and has nothing to do with the position of a county clerk issuing marriage licenses.

What's next? Adolf Hitler brought back to life through genetic engineering? Aliens flying in from other planets and ruling over us?

This is pretty close to foolish babbling warned about in scripture.

It is "anytime" since the President can declare state of emergency at anytime. So, it is at "anytime"

As far as the military draft. Under this executive order, it can be used to draft baggers for Kroger, janitors for nursing homes, or anything else the feds want.

 

[Zaac]

Seems Paul told the church at Corinthians to turn away and not support fornication that is sin. What is greater than this abomination as God calls it.

Then don't support the fornication. That's ACTUALLY spoken to. But issuing a marriage license isn't the same as fornicating.

Seems that Lot not speaking out against them thus supporting their deeds caused "vexed his righteous soul from day to day"

Would this apply to those who will not issue a marriage license? If they don't speak out against it don't they vex their righteous souls, and would issuing a marriage license constitute support of the very marriage that is for the abomination the wickedness of it?

Support of WHAT marriage? If you are a follower of Christ, there's no such thing as gay marriage. So how would a Christ-following clerk support something that doesn't BIBLICALLY exist?

You're issuing a marriage license for folks who THINK they are getting married. And this is the GOVERNMENT's idea of what marriage is. SO give unto Caesar what is Caesar.

Just because the government wants to put its version of "marriage" on par with the BIBLICAL version doesn't make it so.

The individuals aren't getting "married" except in government terms. Handing them that piece of paper has no bearing on God-ordained marriage.

 

[revmwc]

Then don't support the fornication. That's ACTUALLY spoken to. But issuing a marriage license isn't the same as fornicating.





Support of WHAT marriage? If you are a follower of Christ, there's no such thing as gay marriage. So how would a Christ-following clerk support something that doesn't BIBLICALLY exist?

You're issuing a marriage license for folks who THINK they are getting married. And this is the GOVERNMENT's idea of what marriage is. SO give unto Caesar what is Caesar.

Just because the government wants to put its version of "marriage" on par with the BIBLICAL version doesn't make it so.

The individuals aren't getting "married" except in government terms. Handing them that piece of paper has no bearing on God-ordained marriage.

A church in Houston held same gender marriages services yesterday for folks who wanted to get married and were of the same. One couple interviewed had one of the partners state that they wanted God's blessing upon their union and by getting married in the church that gave it God's blessing.

So if the folks themselves believe it to be blessed of God and a church sanctioned it they also had to have the person's who signature appears on the marriage license to sanction it with that signature otherwise the government would not recognize it. WE all know that God doesn't sanction it nor does He bless that type of union. So how does a believer speak out if they sign the marriage license. Guess what when they do they will hear something like this,

you signed the license therefore you must be in support of it! Why do you say it is wrong if you issued the license?

Doesn't make it true but people can make the accusation and many will see it that way!

 

[McCree79]

This is pretty close to foolish babbling warned about in scripture.

No what else is in scripture. Warning of false teachers(in the last days) promoting the sexual immorality and unnatural relations of Sodom and Gomorrah, would promote division in the church. Sounds a lot like what is currently going on.

Jude 4-8; 18-19

 

[Zaac]

A church in Houston held same gender marriages services yesterday for folks who wanted to get married and were of the same. One couple interviewed had one of the partners state that they wanted God's blessing upon their union and by getting married in the church that gave it God's blessing.

I think any "church" that performs such a service should be disfellowshipped and viewed as apostate just as we would any other church that presented false truth.

So if the folks themselves believe it to be blessed of God and a church sanctioned it they also had to have the person's who signature appears on the marriage license to sanction it with that signature otherwise the government would not recognize it.

No Bible believing, Christ following pastor should be putting their name on this marriage license or any other. This is the GOVERNMENT's version of marriage. Let them be the witnesses.

I'll do your wedding ceremony but not your marriage ceremony. I'll join you before GOD. Let the JOP be witness for the government's recording of a "marriage".

WE all know that God doesn't sanction it nor does He bless that type of union. So how does a believer speak out if they sign the marriage license. Guess what when they do they will hear something like this,

Clerks don't sign licenses as the witnesses. They usually just notorize them and issue them to be signed by a pastor or officiant and then file them upon return as official legal documents.

They are just doing paperwork. It's the County, or State that's authorizing/blessing it.

Now I personally don't think a Christ-following pastor has any reason to be signing such a license.

Doesn't make it true but people can make the accusation and many will see it that way!

I had a friend who is a believer who used to work for Miller Brewing. They were the largest employer in this town and the pay was excellent.

Was he responsible for folks getting drunk? Was it a sin for him to participate in producing the beer?

 

[Baptist Believer]

It is "anytime" since the President can declare state of emergency at anytime. So, it is at "anytime"

Well he can say anything he wants to say. If he tries to take dictatorial powers without justification, I sincerely doubt anyone would obey him.

We do not live in a police state and he cannot make it a police state without a number of things happening before simply giving an order.

You have a very strange view of the state of our government and the willingness of the military and government officials to simply discard the Constitution.

The military has the right to disobey an unlawful order. That's what the Nuremberg War Crimes trials were about.

Again, this has nothing to do with county clerks and marriage licenses.

 

[revmwc]

You're issuing a marriage license for folks who THINK they are getting married. And this is the GOVERNMENT's idea of what marriage is. SO give unto Caesar what is Caesar.

Just because the government wants to put its version of "marriage" on par with the BIBLICAL version doesn't make it so.

The individuals aren't getting "married" except in government terms. Handing them that piece of paper has no bearing on God-ordained marriage.

The clerk must notarize the paper and that requires the notaries signature and that means as long as that document exist the signature of the notary is there. These Christian people don't want even want their name associated to the license.