You seem to believe the only reason someone believes the 66 books of the bible are inspired is because someone told them to believe it. Where is the Holy Spirit/God in your formula?
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You seem to believe the only reason someone believes the 66 books of the bible are inspired is because someone told them to believe it. Where is the Holy Spirit/God in your formula?
Not sure what you are speaking of, I don't think I have any problem with scriptural sacraments.
So you agree scripture is TRUE and God breathed, but you believe there must be another Final Authority besides God Himself?
If we have the Word of God and the Catholic Church agrees we have the Word of God, then explain again how the Word of God cannot be any sort of Final Authority?
Are you serious? Are all Catholics ignorant of the NT claiming divine inspiration? This is very puzzling. Let's take a look. Are the Apostle's claiming to be preaching "the word of God"??
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 6:2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Act 6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act 12:24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.
Act 13:5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.
Act 13:7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Act 17:13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
Act 18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
Act 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
And that is Scripture being the Final Authority. Yeah, we agree!
The priesthood of the RCC acts as the mediator between us and God, and they vest in Rome the authority to have infallible understang in regards to scriptre teaching/doctrines.
I have spoke to many catholics, and do note they all will say Church when we would say Jesus.
The RCC states that tradition and scriptures have equal authority, and that the RCC teaches the correct understand on what scriptures mean to us.
We do not vest any saving grace within them though, as the RCC does.
Absolutely correct. They maintain a substitutionary priesthood--relegating authority to themselves and creating a separation of clergy and laity--which is all false. They believe they are mediating the new covenant. Christ is the mediator. Christ said we are Kings and Priests in His Kingdom--all born-again believers.
By doing that, they totally disregard God, who stated that Jesus ALONE would be the sole mediator between God and Man, and that ALL in him have full access to the throne of grace.
Yes God is the Highest Authority, show me the verse that says Scripture is the Final and only Authority.
You are adding in a fake unbiblical rule.
Isn't Scripture what God has said? Wouldn't what God has said be the Final Authority?
The church is God Breathed.
John 20
22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23“If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”
The Church is the Bride of Christ--under the Authority of the Bridegroom--Jesus Christ--the Word of God.
Where do you even find the term "Church" in the scripture you posted? Or even a hint it is speaking of the "Church". You would need some more support from more scripture.
Indeed. The Church is one flesh with Jesus Christ, Ephesians 5. If you want to say God is the bible, lets hear your bible worship.
Otherwise provide bible verse that states WRITTEN SCRIPTURE is superior to the word of God and the authority of the church which is Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. Anytime Jesus speaks the church has spoken.
Show a verse that states WRITINGS are superior to all other forms of communication.
2 Corinthians 3
2You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Here is a report of a letter of Christ not written with ink with the adequacy from God.
Tell me that the servants of the new covenant are not adequate at all and only ink and writing is.
No we wouldn't. They didn't stop Jesus and say well hold on lets see what scripture says. We take authority straight from Jesus, you are looking at the written report.
We ordered the meal straight from the Chef because we know him. You still think he cooks for the sake of the menu.
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