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Ye reject salvation by grace !

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Don

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Wow. Just wow.

You've made quite the assumptions. And in the process, you've made no sense whatsoever. You're going to have to walk me through what it is that you're trying to say I believe, or whatever it is that you think I've said and/or believe.

In Romans 10 Paul did not qualify the words "whosever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved" but simply stated those words in regard to preaching the gospel by men (Rom. 10:13-16).
Um, correct. So we preach that to all men.

God has not called you or me or anyone else to qualify the words "whosover beleiveth" but rather called us to preach that to those we share the gospel with. Nowhere, does the Bible ever qualify "IF you are an elect, this gospel is for you." I dare you to find such a qualification.
Again, correct. As I pointed out several posts ago, the word "whosoever" is found in both Jesus' words and reiterated in Romans 10:13. So why are you making a distinction about "IF you are an elect"? We are to preach the gospel to all men, everywhere.

My point is that you more worried that the non-elect won't be saved that you must qualify what the scriptures don't qualify.
This is where you make no sense. I haven't qualified anything from the scripture; I've merely presented what scripture says. As I stated in previous messages/threads, the call/command/invitation goes out to all. Only a few will actually be saved.

So please clarify what you're trying to say here.

Instead we are simply to proclaim "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" and let the Lord save whom He will.
Agreed.
 
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steaver

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Wow. Just wow.

You've made quite the assumptions. And in the process, you've made no sense whatsoever. You're going to have to walk me through what it is that you're trying to say I believe, or whatever it is that you think I've said and/or believe.


Um, correct. So we preach that to all men.


Again, correct. As I pointed out several posts ago, the word "whosoever" is found in both Jesus' words and reiterated in Romans 10:13. So why are you making a distinction about "IF you are an elect"? We are to preach the gospel to all men, everywhere.


This is where you make no sense. I haven't qualified anything from the scripture; I've merely presented what scripture says. As I stated in previous messages/threads, the call/command/invitation goes out to all. Only a few will actually be saved.

So please clarify what you're trying to say here.


Agreed.

Don, Biblicist's post was in response to SBM. This is why it sounds confusing. It happens, I've done it already :tongue3:
 

DHK

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Thats not important, Just know that He did !
This was the question asked of you, and above was your answer:

"When and how did God reveal your salvation to you? Please share!"

Since when is salvation not important? If you know that he did save you, how do you know? Or can you be truly certain of that? Without belief you cannot be certain of anything. The Word of God says:

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
--We know we have eternal life:
1. Because of the record given to us in his word, and
2. Because of our faith in that record concerning His Son.
 

Yeshua1

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I did not do anything to get saved. God did it all, then revealed it to me that I was saved by what Christ did, I was given Faith to embrace that !

did you have to believe in jesus in order to be justified by God?

Were you born already justified state?
 

Yeshua1

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I didn't ask what you believed regarding salvation; I asked what you believed others meant. Your posts are ambiguous when it comes to what you're saying others believe.

Of course we're saved by grace. I haven't seen anyone deny that. So how does that translate into your statement that they're preaching a false gospel of works?

To him. just placing faith in jesus is a 'work"....

Adding to grace of God, as per His understanding of gospel...

Sounds like he is either primitive baptist, or else a Hyper cal!
 

savedbymercy

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dhk

When and how did God reveal your salvation to you? Please share!"

It is none of your concern when, but, God reveals one's salvation to them by sending them the Gospel of their Salvation, Eph 1:13

13In Christ ye also trusted after ye heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, in Whom also after ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

I learned the Gospel through the scriptures which are able to make one wise unto Salvation 2 Tim 3:15

and that from childhood thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

I will not be answering anymore questions about me. If you want to know what I believe as the Gospel, then read my thread thereon:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=72022
 

percho

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When and How?

Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,{our earthly house of [this] tabernacle} we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, {our earthly house of [this] tabernacle} and to be present with the Lord; Clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. {In his presence}
 

Don

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Believing is a work, it is something man does with his mind and or heart !
AND YET, you posted this:
13 In Christ ye also trusted after ye heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation, in Whom also after ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

You say that believing is a work, but then you quote a verse that says we must trust and we must believe.

You speak out of both sides of your mouth.
 

savedbymercy

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AND YET, you posted this:


You say that believing is a work, but then you quote a verse that says we must trust and we must believe.

You speak out of both sides of your mouth.


No I do not, Through the Gospel God reveals to one their completed salvation and Justification, that is why it is called the Gospel of your Salvation". One is Trusting what has been revealed ! Also, the one Trusting is the one who has already been begotten again by the resurrection of Christ from the Dead, they are already a New Creature before hearing and Trusting.

You say that believing is a work,

It is, it is one of those works that the New Creation has been ordained to do ! Eph 2:10

10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should walk in them.

Believing is a good work !
 
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Yeshua1

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No I do not, Through the Gospel God reveals to one their completed salvation and Justification, that is why it is called the Gospel of your Salvation". One is Trusting what has been revealed ! Also, the one Trusting is the one who has already been begotten again by the resurrection of Christ from the Dead, they are already a New Creature before hearing and Trusting.

So It is, it is one of those works that the New Creation has been ordained to do ! Eph 2:10

10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should walk in them.

Believing is a good work !

if they die, without placing their faith in jesus, they have not died in their own sins?
 

Don

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No I do not, Through the Gospel God reveals to one their completed salvation and Justification, that is why it is called the Gospel of your Salvation". One is Trusting what has been revealed ! Also, the one Trusting is the one who has already been begotten again by the resurrection of Christ from the Dead, they are already a New Creature before hearing and Trusting.

It is, it is one of those works that the New Creation has been ordained to do ! Eph 2:10

10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforehand ordained, that we should walk in them.

Believing is a good work !
So trusting is not a work, but believing is.

I ask you in all sincerity: What's the difference? You could just as easily--and probably should--say that we believe what is revealed. That takes no more/no less effort than trusting.

You could just as easily say that we are a new creature before hearing and believing. It takes no more/no less effort than trusting.

And as for believing being a "good work" -- No. You are correct about Ephesians 2:10; but you're incorrect trying to include belief as one of those works. Galatians 5 is very clear about works of the flesh vice fruits (works) of the Spirit. We are saved unto good works; therefore, one can say we are saved unto mercy, temperance, and even faith -- but "belief" is not on the list.
 

savedbymercy

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don

So trusting is not a work, but believing is.

Who said that ? Do you understand my response in post 133 ? Please explain what I said, because by asking the question you just did , seems that you did not read and understand what I posted there, post 133 !
 

DHK

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dhk

I will not be answering anymore questions about me. If you want to know what I believe as the Gospel, then read my thread thereon:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=72022

Your beliefs are no different than the Islamic doctrine of fatalism.
Man does nothing. It is all up to Allah, whether a man gets saved or not (whether he enters heaven or hell--whether he is elect or not). That is fatalism. It has nothing to do with the doctrines of grace, or God's sovereign grace. It is grace perverted. It is nothing but pure fatalism--a very important doctrine of the Islamic faith.
 

Don

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don
Who said that ?
You did, in post #133.
Do you understand my response in post 133 ? Please explain what I said, because by asking the question you just did , seems that you did not read and understand what I posted there, post 133 !
I already fully explained, in my response to you where I stated that you could just as easily--and probably should--say that "one is believing what has been revealed."

You identify "belief" as a work, when it's not listed as such in scripture; when multiple scriptures command us to believe; so it's up to you to explain why you continue to deny scripture.
 
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