savedbymercy
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I believe Eph 2:8-9, and it says nothing about Faith not being a work, because it is, believing is a thing man does, that's a work !
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I believe Eph 2:8-9, and it says nothing about Faith not being a work, because it is, believing is a thing man does, that's a work !
"Honestly"? I've explained what you said; now you imply that I'm somehow being dishonest about it?
If I've misunderstood you, then correct me. It's that simple.
So if faith is a work (I quote: "because it is"); and you say we aren't saved by works; then we must not be saved by faith.
But Eph 2 says we are saved by faith.
Please explain.
savedbymercy
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Post #152. As I stated, if I've misunderstood you, then correct me. Calling me dishonest and refusing to answer me only makes you look bad, and gives the appearance that I'm correct. Is that how you want to leave things?
First, you have been shown over and over again that faith is not a work according to Eph.2:8,9 and according to Rom.4:1-5. You have no way of reconciling those passages except to admit that faith is not a work if you are honest with the Scriptures.
Second, it has been fairly pointed out to you, that as you have presented your view of the Scriptures concerning God's sovereign "grace" on this board, it is no different than the Islamic doctrine of "fatalism." Our God is greater than that.
You will come back and say that is just my opinion. No, it is not just my opinion. It is an objective observation, a rightful comparison, one that cannot be denied. You have a fatalistic view of God. That is sad. That is not the God of the Bible.
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savedbymercy
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There is not one word in that passage saying Faith is not a work ! And you cannot show me one !
Faith or believing in Christ is a work, something man does. men believe through Grace Acts 18:27
27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Believe is a action verb meaning:
to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence ina) of the thing believed
1) to credit, have confidence
b) in a moral or religious reference
1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith
Now, the scripture states that a work is:
business, employment, that which any one is occupied
a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
One believes with their mind, they think with their mind,Its a work, you cannot deny it, if you do, too bad, you just are denying the Truth !
I did show you. You ignored my proof completely and went on other rabbit trails. Typical! Deal with the passage. Deal with your contradictions in Eph.2:8,9. You contradict yourself and make the passage to contradict itself, but you won't deal with that will you?
The Gospel that saved me was the One of Jesus/paul, the one that you are claiming to have saved by is from someonw else other then the Bible!
Even if Human beings failed to reach the goals and purposes of God, the originial intention and plan of God was to expand His Realm by having many sons like the Only Begotten Son ( Heb 2:10)
You can read Psalm 82:6 and John 10:35.
God created Adam in His likeness. and that's why God calls the Believers " Ye are gods, and all of you are sons of Elion (the Most High) " ( Psalm 82:6)
God didn't predestine Adolf Hitler to kill 6 millions of Jews. God didn't predestine 99% of the people not to believe in Jesus disobeying His own commandments.
God never predestined Israel to be rebellious against God and to worship idols.
If any God had predestined 99% of the people not to believe in Jesus and to go to the Hell, that God must go to the Hell too!
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savedbymercy
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I know nothing of the gospel that saved you as you say, however I do know that you deny that Christ's Death saved anyone He died for, and teach that a man is saved by his works !
savedbymercy
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The Bible says:
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
SBG says: "faith is a work", and therefore we are justified by works.
The Bible says:
Romans 4:2-3 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
--The teaching is God imputed righteousness to Abraham on account of his faith.
SBG says faith is works. SBG believes that righteousness comes by works.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
--The Bible teaches that salvation is through faith.
SBG teaches that faith is a work, and therefore SBG teaches that salvation is by works.
The Bible teaches:
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
--A man is justified by faith.
SBG teaches faith is works, and therefore man is justified by works.
It is evident then how SBG believes in the heresy of a works-based salvation, and cannot deny it. For him to deny that he believes this heresy in face of such evidence is unconscionable.
savedbymercy
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They all say that justification is by faith.
Please explain your position if you define faith as work.
savedbymercy
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Folks, it's pretty simple.
As several people have pointed out, Ephesians 2:8 says we are saved by faith.
But there is one who says we are not saved by works. He/she is correct -- except that he/she says that faith is a work.
Because he/she says faith is a work, he/she is contradicting scripture, and is saying that we can't be saved by faith because faith is a work.
So now you must decide: Do you agree with this person, or do you agree with scripture?
It's that simple.
Me, I'll take scripture. End of discussion.
As several people have pointed out, Ephesians 2:8 says we are saved by faith.
But there is one who says we are not saved by works. He/she is correct -- except that he/she says that faith is a work.
Because he/she says faith is a work, he/she is contradicting scripture, and is saying that we can't be saved by faith because faith is a work.
So now you must decide: Do you agree with this person, or do you agree with scripture?
It's that simple.
Me, I'll take scripture. End of discussion.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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Don, just wondering if you believe faith involves an act of the will, or is it something God just grants to a select few lucky ones.
Faith is explicitly stated to be "by grace" and thus not a work and Paul repeatedly states Abraham was justified by faith and not by works:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
It does not take a lot of reading skill to see that Paul plainly and repeatedly contrasts works with faith in the above text. Do you need to go back to elementary school and learn to read all over again????? That must be the case if you insist faith/beleiving is works:
"BUT TO HIM THAT WORKETH NOT BUT BELEIVETH....HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS."
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