Yellin' stompin' snortin' preacher boys!

[delly]

dclark, the church didn't falter immediately. It declined within the next five years because they could not find a pastor of his caliber who could lead the church. It's not unusual for a church to have problems when they are in between pastors. Even the strongest churches will have problems because too many members get into a power struggle and there is no one to discipline them. After a strong long-term pastor retires or leaves, too often a church gets someone who is not a great leader. Picking the wrong pastor can destroy a church and that is exactly what that church did. In fact, they continually went the wrong way and it led to their destruction. It was a matter of the strong wills of some in the congregation who wanted to run everything themselves and our "ranting, raving" pastor was not there to control the situation. It's like kids throwing spit balls when the teacher isn't in the room. Every adult doesn't always act like one.

By the way, he never actually ranted and raved. He just got loud sometimes, but I can guaranteed that he preached the word and was never afraid to call sin what it is. He was always excited to be preaching about Jesus.

Yes, there were many called to listen to him. I am one of them. My small son and I were both saved in that church under Bro. John Richard Montgomery and I believe he was one of the best preachers I've ever listened to.

 

[USN2Pulpit]

I'm not sure what the consensus actually means here. Is it the collective position that a preacher ought never to raise his voice? I don't "rant and rave" all sermon long, but if I'm excited about a point, people will know it by the way I speak. In the same way, if I'm sorrowful, moved, happy, grieving, anticipating, and yes - even angered, people will know it by the way I'm speaking.

I know that no one here is suggesting that monotone is the best delivery technique, or that the preacher should show no emotion at all. I think a person that yells all sermon long needs to make corrections to his delivery technique, but there is also no excuse for delivering the Word in a boring manner. If the Word of God doesn't elicit any response from the preacher, why should the preacher expect anyone else to respond? And before anyone jumps on me, I'm not just talking about a superficial emotional response. So this is more than just a "technique" problem, in my opinion. It has to do with the heart of the preacher.

So to make my point clear:

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• Screaming the whole time is generally a performance, even when the preacher believes himself sincere.</font>
• But if the Lord's message elicits a response in you, it should come across that way.</font>

 

[Heavenbound01]

JOSEPH, I think it is wrong to laugh and snicker at a preacher for getting excited about gods word. i just think it is wrong. if a preacher preaches that way it is because god wants him to. if he is really called by god to preach. if he is too loud then sit in the back. me personally, i dont like a dead church,( a church who doesnt even breath an amen to the preacher, or who doesnt get excited and shout every once in a while. God is someone to get excited about,not to just sit there twiddling your thumbs. no matter how a preacher preaches, never laugh or snicker, because when you do it to them you do it to god.

 

[dianetavegia]

I think it's also VERY disrespectful!

Diane

 

[rlvaughn]

Originally posted by delly:
Loren, I believe this is more commom in Pentecostal churches, although I have heard of some Baptist preachers who preach in a charasmatic way...

delly, it is probably more common in Pentecostal churches now, but I think it is historically correct that the Pentecostals got it from us. That type of preaching has fallen by the wayside among most Baptists. In addition to Macauley, whom JCole references, Howard Dorgan has written some about Appalachian preaching styles - in his book Giving Glory to God in Appalachia and also in a journal article (I'd have to look it up, don't remember where offhand).

 

[Gina B]

Originally posted by Heavenbound01:
JOSEPH, I think it is wrong to laugh and snicker at a preacher for getting excited about gods word. i just think it is wrong. if a preacher preaches that way it is because god wants him to. if he is really called by god to preach. if he is too loud then sit in the back. me personally, i dont like a dead church,( a church who doesnt even breath an amen to the preacher, or who doesnt get excited and shout every once in a while. God is someone to get excited about,not to just sit there twiddling your thumbs. no matter how a preacher preaches, never laugh or snicker, because when you do it to them you do it to god.

I understand your point here, but there's a deeper problem.
For example, I started another thread on a comment the last preacher I heard yelling out said. It was a completely false statement. More often than not, a preacher who is screaming isn't giving you any good in depth information. If there's a passionate issue going on that's one thing, but the word of God calls for respect, devotion, humbleness, and soberness.
If one gets excited in a praise type situation, making an extreme point, or on a passionate topic a few moments of lost control is understandable.
A regular loss of control and the poorly thought out statements that often come along with allowing one to work oneself into a frenzy are anything but Godly.
IMO, it's rude and disrespectful to God if we let such continue.
Also, I don't need someone screaming fire and brimstone at me every Sunday. I'm a saved person going to the house of God to worship, fellowship, and learn among other Christians. If a pastor wants to be an evangelist and go warn everyone of fire and brimstone why do it in a church? The church is a place for the saved to meet and be away from the world for a bit. That would make about as much sense as if I would go the pro life counseling center in town and preach to the workers there about the wrongs of abortion. THey already know. If they didn't they wouldn't be there.
Gina

 

[Gina B]

Originally posted by blackbird:
Yeh, Dr. Bob---that's exactly what Gina(the culprit who started this thread) wants, too! She wants a preacher boy who will "stay at home and yell at her"---so that she can listen!!

Blackbird went to page 1 of this thread---and first thing happened was---he started pickin' up on sublinial messages inside the posted message on the very top!! You weed out the nonsense---leavin' the sophisticated words alone---and you arrive at the conclusion that she is lookin' for a "mail order" preacher!!

Gina knows that Blackbird is a

I hope you know that if by some odd quirk of fate that should actually happen, you're the one we'll call to perform the ceremony!
And I ain't kidding. In fact, I think that I'll make that a condition which the other party will have to agree to before he receives a yes from me.

 

[Heavenbound01]

fair enough gina. I had a pastor years ago, that would shout,slober,even jump the seats. I never heard one wrong word come out of his mouth.I believe god put the words in his mouth. he was a baptist preacher. but, you also dont go to church to just hear about heaven, we sin as christians everyday,and sometimes we need our church pastor to step on our toes once in a while. why preach about hell,fire,brimstone? because not just christian people go to church. there are lost people that go to church,and they need to know what will happen if they are not saved. people who are christians who have backslided on god,everyone who says lord lord is not going to heaven.mabey he shouldnt do it every sunday,but everyone should hear how bad hell is sometimes.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Do you respond to someone yelling at you? I sure don't. I turn them off.

Preaching is expounding truth, not yelling about hobby horses.

 

[Charles Meadows]

"no matter how a preacher preaches, never laugh or snicker, because when you do it to them you do it to god."

I agree that this is very disrespectful but I would not necessarily agree with the above statement.

I have known several loud, uneducated, self-righteous buffoons who claimed a call to preach. Their "ministry" bears witness as to whether or not they were truly called. I have more then onece been disgusted by blatantly wrong statements being hurled from the pulpit with incorrect grammar - knowing full well they were NOT from God.

That being said there's nothing wrong with a preacher getting excited about his message.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

I know of a man who read the following verses:

Matt 12:30
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(KJV)

He mispronounced the words "scattereth abroad" and read them as "scratch(ith) a board" and then proceeded to preach on the people in hell scratching boards because they were in such torment.

Also, at the church I was saved at we had a preacher get so excited he jumped off the platform onto a front row pew. When he did so he broke the pew in pieces.

Personally, I like to be talked to not yelled at.

 

[Trotter]

An example:

My (former) pastor read the passage out of Mark aboutt he feeding of teh five thousand. And then proceeded to "preach" about "bringing it all to Jesus." How did he come to this topic? A portion of Mark 6:41 (And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes), in which he inferred, with the help of Matthew 14:18, that the disciples brought the loaves and fish to Jesus.

Why he read the entire passage about the feeding of the five thousand (and about 20 verses after it), I don't know. And why he decided to "preach" about bring your hurts to Jesus, your cares to Jesus, your tithes to Jesus, your self to Jesus (church attendance), yada, yada, yada, when the portion of one verse would have sufficed, I don't know.

Oh, well. That is one of the reasons I no longer attend there.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

[preacherchris]

i too have a problem with a preacher who imitates another and is not himself. i contend that a preacher should use the style that God has given him loud or soft. each preacher can reach some others cannot. one thing i have noticed is that many started the ministry with an anointing but at sometime lost that special touch and don't even realise it.

 

[Pete]

The "old yeller" smoke coming outa the ears thing doesn't do much for me....

 

[Heavenbound01]

Trotter,

If feel like if a preacher is really called by god,then god will put the words in his mouth,even he gets off the subject the whole service,because god may have another plan in mind. than what was originallly planned.

 

[av1611jim]

Dr.Bob;
Personally, I like a ROUSING message from God.
Sometimes people need to be woke up. I am not for some clown who shouts and spits EVERY sentence.
One feller says that the preacher must be responsive to the moment. If he's preaching sad things, scary things, etc. his preaching should reflect that.
In response to your question, "do you respond when someone is yelling at you?"
YES ! Like "Fire!" "Look out for that cactus!" "There's a car coming!"
Many a warning is SHOUTED!
Just thought you would like to be reminded of the fact that most EVERYBODY shouts a warning.

In His service;
Jim

 

[jle]

We do live in a time when churches, the preachers style and all the trimmings are a part of a larger smorgasbord of choices. Although I personally think this has its good and bad points, the bad outweighs the good for me.

Mainly because I see churches trying to fit into a community instead of reach the community for a higher standard.

I admit this goes way beyond a hollering, screaming and spitting preacher. But these good ol boys fit into the equation, somewhere.

 

[Bible Student]

This sounds like the same old stuff: the church is too cold or it is too hot, the preacher speaks too loud or to soft, the pews are too hard or too soft. I am sorry to say many things like this discussed on this BB is about "ME".

There are times that a Pastor should and needs to raise his voice to make a point. There are times that his voice should be calm. Just as in the real world we live in.

As stated before if there is a fire I would hope someone would yell FIRE! Another thought is that some who complain that I will not go to church where the preacher shouts or yells, or I will not take my kids to this church, will be the first ones who will take them to a baseball or football game where everyone is shouting. And may I say not about people dying and going to hell, but shouting the words at fans, players or others. Yet this type of shouting is just fine.

Just an thought.

 

[GrannyGumbo]

Well I just plain love preachin'.

 

[dianetavegia]

Me too Granny and I just love plain preachin'! Just give me Jesus!

Diane