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[BobRyan]

The seed that falls among the thorns – is “choke Out”. Though – again – the dead barren ground “comes to life”.

Christ does not leave them at the shallow level of “they professed” – but rather they “received the word with Joy” and they “Believed” it is never the initial reception that is condemned but rather that at a later time “of temptation” they fall away.

They fall away from “something good” and that is condemned. To fall away from “false profession” or “unreal belief” is never bad.

7 "Other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it and choked it out.

These “hear the Word”, come to life and “Grow up” but then the Life that they have is “choked out” by worldly concerns. They bear no fruit. In John 15 Christ points out that “every branch in Me that does not bear fruit is cast into the fire”.

14 "The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
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In the case of the “good ground” – we see the “same growth” the same springing to life and growth But then it ALSO bears the Fruit. And as Matt 7 points out “by their fruit you shall know them”. And John 15 states that it is the purpose of God to bring out that fruit.

(Which is as Galations 5 points out – the fruit of the Spirit given in increasing measure to all who are saved).

Christ’s summary point is that this is a case of “perseverance”.

Luke 8
8 "Other seed fell into the good soil, and grew up, and produced a crop a hundred times as great." As He said these things, He would call out, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

15 "But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance.

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 13
3 And He spoke many things to them in parables, saying, ""Behold, the sower went out to sow;
4 and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up.
5 ""Others fell on the rocky places, where they did not have much soil; and immediately they sprang up, because they had no depth of soil.
6 ""But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 ""Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them out.
8 ""And others fell on the good soil and yielded a crop, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.
9 "" He who has ears, let him hear.''
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18 "" Hear then the parable of the sower.
19 ""When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.
20 ""The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.
22 ""And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
23 ""And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.''

 

[BobRyan]

It is going to be pretty hard to argue in Matt 13 that being persecuted "for the word" is Christ's way of describing the LOST - prior to their falling away from the Word.

 

[DHK]

My belief is that the person was not saved from the beginning if he or she once believed then lost the salvation. ( 1 John 2:19)

So, I tolerate the objections, but believe OSAS is correct.

Sounds reasonable.
And at 33 pages, this thread needs to be closed despite the interesting conversation. Feel free to start another one.