You shall surely die

[JonC]

Do we have a non physical aspect, our soul, that is a sin nature?

I have not read that in the Bible. What passages are you talking about in regards to a "sin nature"?

 

[JesusFan]

The difference between the humanity of Christ and the humanity we have is that the Son of God was not born separated from God.

He is God, and God cannot stop being God.


God bless

No, difference is he was born with sinless human nature, same as Adam was created with, while all of us were born with sin natures

 

[JesusFan]

I have not read that in the Bible. What passages are you talking about in regards to a "sin nature"?

then humans are born in a sinless sate, that we are not affected by the Fall at all?

Do you hold to full blown pel?

 

[JesusFan]

I do not know what you mean by "sinless in His humanity".

Jesus had to be made like us in all things....not just some things. He had a human nature as all men have a human nature. And He was tempted in all points just like we are. But He did not sin, where as we do.

Hebrews 2:17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

he was Virgin born, so bypassed the fall and retained his sinless humanity, do you see jesus having a sin nature?

 

[37818]

No, difference is he was born with sinless human nature, same as Adam was created with, while all of us were born with sin natures

It was because the Son was also God.
,Mark 10:18, ". . . And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. . . ."

 

[Darrell C]

No, difference is he was born with sinless human nature, same as Adam was created with, while all of us were born with sin natures

Great, now where is your Scripture?

Show me where Adam was born with a sinless human nature, and how it is one with a sinless human nature can—sin?

God bless.

 

[JesusFan]

Great, now where is your Scripture?

Show me where Adam was born with a sinless human nature, and how it is one with a sinless human nature can—sin?

God bless.

Did satan sin, even while was made perfect and the anointed Cherub?

 

[JonC]

then humans are born in a sinless sate, that we are not affected by the Fall at all?

Do you hold to full blown pel?

I never said that we are not affected by the Fall.

I am just suggesting that speculation is worthless when we have God's Word available to us.

We were all effected by the Fall. When Adam sinned his eyes were opened. We are in this state by nature - of Adam - and in bondage to sin and death. Jesus has freed us from those bonds and gives us life.

I do not think you understand Pelagianism. Pelagianism not an affirmation of Scripture but a denial that natural man has a mind focused on the flesh.

 

[JonC]

he was Virgin born, so bypassed the fall and retained his sinless humanity, do you see jesus having a sin nature?

He was born of a Virgin. Genesis 3:15 implies this and Isaiah 7:14 along with Matthew 1:18-25.

What passage are you referencing that Jesus was NOT made like us in all things, that He bypassed this "sin nature"?

I am not saying Christ had a "sin nature", but rather that the term is something you perhaps read in a philosophy book rather than the Bible as you have thus far refused to engage any Scripture at all.

 

[Darrell C]

Did satan sin, even while was made perfect and the anointed Cherub?

First, you are going to have to understand what perfect means, and it is obvious you don't.

Second, you would need to understand the Biblical Doctrine of Perfection as found in the Book of Hebrews to understand the difference between that and the "perfection" of Satan, and it is not likely you will put the effort into an endeavor like that, because you have made it clear you are not interested in Biblical Doctrine, you are only interested in treating this forum like a country club.

As I said earlier, when you make remarks as Biblically inaccurate as you have done so today, and your friends do not correct you, be sure of this—they are not your friends in reality.

Satan's "perfection" is akin to the perfection demanded of men:

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

That is a quote from Genesis 17. The perfection is seen in men who did in fact sin:

Genesis 6:9 King James Version

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


Unless you think Noah was sinless. That would fly in the face of the doctrine you have been teaching here today, wouldn't it?

So what exactly does Satan's sin have to do with the fact that Adam was not a sinless man? That he was not born with a sinless nature?

Haven't really given that any thought, have you?

God bless.

 

[JonC]

Great, now where is your Scripture?

Show me where Adam was born with a sinless human nature, and how it is one with a sinless human nature can—sin?

God bless.

BINGO!

Adam was made a living soul. He was created flesh. He had a human nature. And as he was created he sinned.

An important but often overlooked fact is that Adam was not created in the Garden but East of Eden (where he was returned after he sinned).

That unity with God Adam enjoyed in the Garden was not Adam's original state. Perhaps in a very real sense the Garden was to Adam what the Law was to Israel as it showed Adam his nature in relation to God.

 

[JesusFan]

BINGO!

Adam was made a living soul. He was created flesh. He had a human nature. And as he was created he sinned.

An important but often overlooked fact is that Adam was not created in the Garden but easy of Eden (where he was returned after he sinned).

That unity with God Adam enjoyed in the Garden was not Adam's original state. Perhaps in a very real sense the Garden was to Adam what the Law was to Israel as it showed Adam his nature in relation to God.

Adam chose to sin, and then he died spiritually and physical

 

[JesusFan]

He was born of a Virgin. Genesis 3:15 implies this and Isaiah 7:14 along with Matthew 1:18-25.

What passage are you referencing that Jesus was NOT made like us in all things, that He bypassed this "sin nature"?

I am not saying Christ had a "sin nature", but rather that the term is something you perhaps read in a philosophy book rather than the Bible as you have thus far refused to engage any Scripture at all.

What is the sin nature? | GotQuestions.org

 

[JesusFan]

First, you are going to have to understand what perfect means, and it is obvious you don't.

Second, you would need to understand the Biblical Doctrine of Perfection as found in the Book of Hebrews to understand the difference between that and the "perfection" of Satan, and it is not likely you will put the effort into an endeavor like that, because you have made it clear you are not interested in Biblical Doctrine, you are only interested in treating this forum like a country club.

As I said earlier, when you make remarks as Biblically inaccurate as you have done so today, and your friends do not correct you, be sure of this—they are not your friends in reality.

Satan's "perfection" is akin to the perfection demanded of men:

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

That is a quote from Genesis 17. The perfection is seen in men who did in fact sin:

Genesis 6:9 King James Version

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


Unless you think Noah was sinless. That would fly in the face of the doctrine you have been teaching here today, wouldn't it?

So what exactly does Satan's sin have to do with the fact that Adam was not a sinless man? That he was not born with a sinless nature?

Haven't really given that any thought, have you?

God bless.

What is the sin nature? | GotQuestions.org

 

[KenH]

An important but often overlooked fact is that Adam was not created in the Garden but East of Eden (where he was returned after he sinned).

The Garden was in Eden.

Genesis2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

 

[Darrell C]

Adam chose to sin, and then he died spiritually and physical

Why would someone with a sinless nature choose to sin. You're going to have to explain that.

God bless.

 

[JesusFan]

Why would someone with a sinless nature choose to sin. You're going to have to explain that.

God bless.

satan and Adam both were created with Full free will

 

[Darrell C]

What is the sin nature? | GotQuestions.org

Seriously? lol

Brother, you are really making me feel bad.

I think I will refrain from trying to have a Biblical Discussion with you. When you can, for yourself, contribute to a discussion without relying on what you have heard or read outside of Scripture, perhaps I can take up the discussion again.

I am going to respond to the comments about "Dispy" theology, though, and I'll just let you know, no need to respond. Those comments tell me all I need to know about you and Ken. That is the terminology of members who likewise have no serious contributions to Theological Discussion.

You should choose your friends better.


God bless.

 

[JesusFan]

BINGO!

Adam was made a living soul. He was created flesh. He had a human nature. And as he was created he sinned.

An important but often overlooked fact is that Adam was not created in the Garden but easy of Eden (where he was returned after he sinned).

That unity with God Adam enjoyed in the Garden was not Adam's original state. Perhaps in a very real sense the Garden was to Adam what the Law was to Israel as it showed Adam his nature in relation to God.

"Adam's Fall and Mine" by Dr. R.C. Sproul

Bingo!

 

[JesusFan]

Seriously? lol

Brother, you are really making me feel bad.

I think I will refrain from trying to have a Biblical Discussion with you. When you can, for yourself, contribute to a discussion without relying on what you have heard or read outside of Scripture, perhaps I can take up the discussion again.

I am going to respond to the comments about "Dispy" theology, though, and I'll just let you know, no need to respond. Those comments tell me all I need to know about you and Ken. That is the terminology of members who likewise have no serious contributions to Theological Discussion.

You should choose your friends better.


God bless.

"Adam's Fall and Mine" by Dr. R.C. Sproul