BobRyan
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I have taken the liberty of removing from Walter's list - that which he himself refuses to defend against the church of many scholars today that Barnabas and the letter of Ignatias are fakes and forgeries.
Now let us see what we have left.
Certainly Walter makes a good case in the list above for the fact that by the middle to late 2nd century AD - the "traditions of man" were already being placed in the stead of the Sabbath sanctified by God in Gen 2:3 and Spoken by God at Sinai.
Yet notice how "distinctly" they make the claim that Sunday is the Lord's Day -- and that each weekly Sunday is to be celebrated in honor of Christ's resurrection. THIS is the kind of language that you use when you are trying to introduce something like a holy day. "Rember the Sabbath day to KEEP IT HOLY.. God blessed the Seventh-day and Made IT Holy" -- and so the man-made tradition above appeals to very much the same language for Sunday.
How deafening the silence of SCRIPTURE by contrast to the actions of man when man-made tradition is trying to establish its own sanctified day of worship.
No Wonder Christ said in Mark 7 --
7 " BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'
8 ""Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.''
9 He was also saying to them, ""You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
10 ""For Moses said, " HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER'; and, " HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH';
11 but you say, "If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),'
12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother;
13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.''
And this begs the question of how it is that error could have come into the Christian church by so soon a time as the middle of the 2nd century A.D. -
ERRORs of the form of falsehoods and forgeries claiming to be of Barnabas and Ignatius.
Errors of the form that would begin to delete the Command of God and replace it with the traditions of man - in regard to one of the Ten Commandments.
Well - what does Paul predict in regard to error coming in??
Acts 20
28 ""Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
29 ""I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.
Paul warns the saints in Gal 1 "Though WE or an angel from heaven should come to you with a different gospel...let him be accursed".
Paul tells Timothy to remain in Ephesus (1Tim 1) for the express purpose of suppressing error trying to raise itself up in that church at that very time.
John the Beloved in A.D. 96 says, “I was in the spirit on the Lord’s Day.” – Rev. 1:10 -- makes no mention at all of "week day one" being the "Lord's day"
Luke in about A.D. 60 says, “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them.” – Acts 20:7 -- points to a one time meeting on Saturday evening called for the purpose of a farewell sermon with a full day of Sunday-travel planned for the next morning.
(And this after already stating in vs 5 and 6 that Paul would NOT travel on holy days - such as the Lev 23 annual Sabbaths).
in Christ,
Bob
Now let us see what we have left.
Ireneus, Bishop of Lyons, disciple of Polycarp says, “On the Lord’s Day, every one of us Christians keep the Sabbath.”
Justin Martyr in about A.D. 140 says, “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because Jesus Christ, our Savior, on the same day rose again from the dead.”
Theopolis in A.D. 167 says, “Both custom and reason challenge from us that we should honor the Lord’s Day, seeing it was that day, our Lord Jesus Christ, completed the resurrection from the dead.”
Dionysius in A.D. 170 says, “We passed this holy Lord’s Day in which we read your letter, from the constant reading of which we shall be able to draw admonition.”
Dynidions in A.D. 170 says, “We Celebrate only the Lord’s Day.”
Bardesanes in A.D. 180 says, “On one day, the first day of the week, we assemble ourselves together.”
Clement in A.D. 192 says that a Christian “According to the commandment of the gospel, observes the Lord’s Day, thereby glorifying the resurrection.”
Clement of Alexandria says in A.D. 194, “He, in fulfillment of the precept, according to the gospel, keeps the Lord’s Day, glorifying the Lord’s resurrection in himself.”
Tertullian in A.D. 200 says, “We solemnize the day after Saturday in contradiction to those who call this day their Sabbath.”
Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage in A.D. 250 says, “The eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, is the Lord’s Day.”
The Apostolical Constitution says in A.D. 250, “On the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently.”
Anatolius in about A.D. 270 says, “The solemn festival of the resurrection of the Lord can only be celebrated on the Lord’s Day.”
Anatolius Bishop of Laodicea in Asia Minor in A.D. 270 says, “Our regard for the Lord’s resurrection which took place on the Lord’s Day will lead us to celebrate it.”
Victorinus in A.D. 300 says, “On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously that on the Lord’s Day we may go forth to our brad with giving of thanks, lest we should appear to observe any other Sabbath with the Jewish, which Sabbath He in His body abolished[/U].”
Peter, Bishop of Alexanderia in A.D. 306 says, “But the Lord’s Day we celebrate as a day of joy because on it he rose again.”
Certainly Walter makes a good case in the list above for the fact that by the middle to late 2nd century AD - the "traditions of man" were already being placed in the stead of the Sabbath sanctified by God in Gen 2:3 and Spoken by God at Sinai.
Yet notice how "distinctly" they make the claim that Sunday is the Lord's Day -- and that each weekly Sunday is to be celebrated in honor of Christ's resurrection. THIS is the kind of language that you use when you are trying to introduce something like a holy day. "Rember the Sabbath day to KEEP IT HOLY.. God blessed the Seventh-day and Made IT Holy" -- and so the man-made tradition above appeals to very much the same language for Sunday.
How deafening the silence of SCRIPTURE by contrast to the actions of man when man-made tradition is trying to establish its own sanctified day of worship.
No Wonder Christ said in Mark 7 --
7 " BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'
8 ""Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.''
9 He was also saying to them, ""You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
10 ""For Moses said, " HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER'; and, " HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH';
11 but you say, "If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),'
12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother;
13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.''
And this begs the question of how it is that error could have come into the Christian church by so soon a time as the middle of the 2nd century A.D. -
ERRORs of the form of falsehoods and forgeries claiming to be of Barnabas and Ignatius.
Errors of the form that would begin to delete the Command of God and replace it with the traditions of man - in regard to one of the Ten Commandments.
Well - what does Paul predict in regard to error coming in??
Acts 20
28 ""Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
29 ""I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.
Paul warns the saints in Gal 1 "Though WE or an angel from heaven should come to you with a different gospel...let him be accursed".
Paul tells Timothy to remain in Ephesus (1Tim 1) for the express purpose of suppressing error trying to raise itself up in that church at that very time.
John the Beloved in A.D. 96 says, “I was in the spirit on the Lord’s Day.” – Rev. 1:10 -- makes no mention at all of "week day one" being the "Lord's day"
Luke in about A.D. 60 says, “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them.” – Acts 20:7 -- points to a one time meeting on Saturday evening called for the purpose of a farewell sermon with a full day of Sunday-travel planned for the next morning.
(And this after already stating in vs 5 and 6 that Paul would NOT travel on holy days - such as the Lev 23 annual Sabbaths).
in Christ,
Bob
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