Dr. Walter
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My response below is to the wild empty claim above about "Constantine the first to change" -
This is funny! First let me quote you again:
"The RCC said --
The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that
changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name". page 243
Anyone who has read SDA literature that attacks Sunday knows that quotes like above refer are interpreted by SDA writers to refer to Constantine and the law he made! Ellen G. Whites book "the Great Controversy" and every other book, booklet written by SDA Advocates have claimed in writing for decades that Constantine change Sunday from Saturday and in every single one of the these books, booklets and articles produced by the SDA the Catholic claim above is given as their evidence.
So don't give us the runaround Bob! Your playing games and it is really simple for me to take one of many SDA writings I have on by book shelf and show that you are following the same identical argument. With those ignorant of History SDA advocates are still claiming this obselete and false claim but with those who know history SDA advocates take your approach - duplicity, deceptive and hypocritical are the words to describe the SDA history argument.
Now comes Walter's "bait and switch" hoping the readers do not notice the context for my statement above.
No bait and switch at all! I could have included the above quotation as well as the words quoted here.
To your charge "Bob PRESUMES his position is correct and ASSUMES that that all these quotations in the second century are "traditions of men." "I provided the Biblical data concerning the term "kuriakos" which you did not refute because you cannot refute it and be honest. Hence, based upon that one text, I can equally argue that these second century quotations are based upon scripture, because in reality, Revelation 1:10 is the basis while your interpretation is the tradition of men.
AND THEN - you yourself shoot your own argument in the foot when you appeal to cases where they openly condemned the Word of God choosing rather the traditions of men. (Hint: Your quote of Spurgeon).
My quotation of Spurgeon was to correct your misinterpretation of Spurgeon and to show that Spurgeon did not take your position on the fourth commandment but rather he took my position. However, your not honest enough to admit that fact but put it through your "bait and switch" argument and spin machine.
Walter " Spurgeon, Moody and Pink interpreted the fourth commandment just as I do. They rejected the idea that it referred to the seventh day "of the week"
Again, it is your PRESUMPTION that Walter, Spurgeon, Moody and Pink hold to a position that is the "traditions of men"! The truth is that you hold to the position of the 'traditions of men" becuase the New Testament clearly and explicitly abolishes the "old Covenant" and the sabbatical cylces which includes the seventh day sabbath as Leviticus 23 BEGINS with the seventh day sabbath as part of the SABBATHS of these feasts (Col. 2:16).
The fourth commandment remains unchanged but the application is changed! The fourth commandment nor the creation account ever restricts itself to such words as "of the week." NEVER! That is the traditions of men as it cannot be found in the creation account or the fourth commandment.
This Sabbath principle can be interpreted and is applied to other days and periods of time longer than the 24 hour days. However, the "of the week" man made interpretation would deny the fourth commandment application to any other day or preiod of time longer than a 24 hour period!
To argue that the monthly and annual and multiple yearly Sabbaths are not derived from the fourth commandment is about as much common sense as denying the civil laws are derived from the commandments as well!