5 point Gillinist
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No, you're not a Hyles listener. Ok. What about the rest of my question?
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KJB1611reader
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Salvation bear fruit.
5 point Gillinist
Active Member
You don't think salvation results in fruit? You don't think the indwelling Holy Spirit transforms men ever increasingly to be more like Christ?
KJB1611reader
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If led by Spirit and in his word. But someone can be saved and not have fruits.
5 point Gillinist
Active Member
Where does the bible say that?
KJB1611reader
Active Member
Salvation is only by sole faith in gospel.
Nothing can change that, fruits and change life do not affect.
Layman
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What are your thoughts on James 2?
KJB1611reader
Active Member
See Gene on YT.
5 point Gillinist
Active Member
Yeah. That is what I said. I then said salvation bears' fruit; the indwelling Holy Spirit received at salvation bears fruit through us. I didn't say that we bear fruit in order to be justified, I said those justified do bear fruit. Your answer has nothing to do with my original statement.
KJB1611reader
Active Member
No, salvation dosen't mean will bear fruit.
5 point Gillinist
Active Member
Ok. Again. Where does the bible say that believers won't bear fruit? If you deny that the bible (even the KJV) says believers do bear fruit, then you are the one denying the scripture.
Layman
New Member
Gene Kim teaches that the book of James is written to Jews in the future after the rapture takes place. Is that what you believe, and have you considered an alternate interpretation?
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37818
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What Jesus proclaimed was finished in John 19:30 was completed before John 19:28, per, . . . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . . .
KJB1611reader
Active Member
Yes.
Layman
New Member
So you are saying that the book of James is irrelevant to Christians today. Where in the text does it indicate that it’s only for a future application and have most Christians been wasting their time studying it for the last 2,000 years?
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canadyjd
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Please show me in scripture the phrase “free will choice” to be saved?
Please don’t refer to commands to “chose this day who you will serve”. The entire OT Law is full of commands to chose certain things that no body but Jesus kept.
Again, show me from scripture the phrase “free will choice”?
Romans 6-7 is a master of doctrinal certainty that human will is enslaved to sin and, therefore, cannot be considered “free”
Peace to you
KJB1611reader
Active Member
No, only salvation wise.
Layman
New Member
How do you know? Which verse?
KJB1611reader
Active Member
Watch Gene's video.
Layman
New Member
Sorry, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to connect passages in James to Revelation like he’s doing.
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