Alcoholism: an unclean unchristian habit

Are you a tea totaler now?

Eating bacon is bad for you too & how about coffee

 

Drunkenness is a sin, so is gorging on too much food. Having a beer is not a sin. Neither is enjoying a good meal. Unfortunately, I know Christians who would never touch a beer, but think nothing of sitting down and eating an entire pie or a half gallon of ice cream. Ever had a sugar hangover?

 

You have spoken truth here.

People love to condemn what they do not engage in (alcohol in context here) which is not forbidden in Scripture with the exception of drunkeness, even Jesus Himself being accused of being a winebibber.

These same persons cast away their own sin (gluttony) as trivial, since said persons do engage in this (too many in the church eat way too much and regularly practice this sin.) I speak this concerning not the author of this OP but that many against alcohol consumption altogether engage in gluttonous behavior, and to whomever else the shoe fits.

- Grace and Peace

 

You made the false accusation against Jesus by stating He didn't drink or make real alcoholic wine.

Water is not considered a food...i guess that is sin?

these alcohol threads using man's reasoning make me want a drink.

 

So would having 10 coffees be as bad as having 1 beer?

So I guess you get to decide what the really bad sins are and what the permissable sins are. So you can drink a coffee and still not be as bad as drinking a beer or 10.

You better keep obeying the law because if you break one, you're guilty of all. (James 2:10)

 

Do you wear clothes of blended fabrics?

 

You mean that's wrong? Oops. I love pie. :saint:

 

alcohol consists of calories. You are aware of what a calorie is, right? Ever read the health benefits on the heart and other organs in moderation?

Scripture stating all drugs are sinful? Wonder what Luke the physician used...

The Holy Spirit inspired bible also states its real use is to gladden the heart and numb those who are perishing. Pretty broad scope of usage...not to mention I'm not sure how much the industrial age was part of the first century.

...so is water if given too much (or anything for that matter)

...which ONLY supports not getting drunk, not abstaining completely. Strawman.

 

In that case I sinned recently when a neighbor gave me a shot of whiskey. I see no more wrong with an occasional alcoholic drink than I do with anything else we eat or drink.

As for alcohol being food, neither is anything we drink. There is food we eat, and there are liquids we drink. That one drink had no effect whatsoever on me, and in my opinion was no different from drinking anything else--except for the alcohol.

As for being intoxicated, you can become that way from drinking too much water. I worked for 28 years at a VA Medical Center, and we had patients there who would become intoxicated from drinking excessive amounts of water. I had never heard of that before working there, but I definitely got an education there and learned things I hadn't known before.

 

False accusations? You're out of control here like on most of your threads.

Mat 11:18 "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon!'
Mat 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds."

Obviously? He drank a little wine. He also made some very good wine! One even said in essence "this was a good year!" concerning the wine He made.

Alcohol is not forbidden in the Bible, but generally is by traditions of men, typically among KJVO types in my experience. Give us a verse that says alcohol is completely forbidden and never to be used (minus the Nazarite vow.)

That wine in the Kingdom we will drink? It won't be Welchs my friend. And Billy Sunday won't have a sermon about it either, but maybe he'll blush a little as he has a sip?

- Peace

 

Isa.28
[1] Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!
[2] Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.
[3] The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet


1Cor.6
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes, if you are a drunk you should repent and quit but wouldnt that be practicing legalism?

 

John didn't come eating and drinking, but Jesus did. They called him a glutton (because He ate) and a winebibber (because He drank) alluding that in so doing He was intemperant. That's the contrast.

OH NO!!! Jesus had wine?!!!

Do you know why Jesus went to the wedding in Cana? To enjoy Himself and have a good time. Something wrong with that? That's one reason. And He also drank of the cheap wine and made better in the end.

We'll have some at the marriage supper of the Lamb too.

And: Deu_14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

OH NO NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

 

Alcohol has 7 kcal's per gram, and based on your definition of "food" does qualify.

The alcohol/food debate has been done by many scientists and nutritionists over the years. Your opinion is just that, in fact I think based on your convictions concerning alcohol it is safe to say your opinion relies less on science and more on presupposition.

 

You couldn't be more wrong. Jesus is jewish. He abided by the levitical laws which included the passover. The only drink used during passover was required not to contain yeast...wine being the ONLY drink of that day which would have been used.