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God's Purposes Thwarted?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Jul 18, 2011.

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Does God always get his way; not just in the END but at all times forever?

  1. Yes, everything happens EXACTLY as God always intended and purposed that they would happen.

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  2. No. God has allowed creatures to thwart his eternal purposes but God will fix it all in the end.

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  3. YOU FOLLOW CALVIN AND NOT THE BIBLE!!!

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  4. YOUR GOD'S A DIVINE RAPIST!!! DAHMER!!!!! SERVETUS!!!!!!

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
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    You know your in trouble when they tell you, "it's good for you" ....ahhhhhhh shucks!
     
    #21 Earth Wind and Fire, Jul 19, 2011
  2. Luke2427

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    Have you guys noticed that only the reformed guys are voting here?

    Let me tell you why- of course they will not admit it, but this is why:

    They cannot admit that they believe that God's purposes are thwarted- but many of them do.

    Is that not a MASSIVE difference between us? I think we should be able to work together and love each other- BUT let's face it- there view of God has God FAILING miserably concerning MOST of his purposes.

    They believe God knew he would fail miserably and they believe that God is going to fix it all in the end- but this is a STRIKING, ENORMOUS difference between our view of God and there's.

    It cannot be overstated.

    Skandelon has not voted because he does not want the no-namers to know that he agrees with us- that EVERYTHING happens always EXACTLY as God has ALWAYS intended it to happen- inculding the bad things such as sin, unbelief and damnation of sinners.

    EVERYTHING.
     
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    While I believe that God will always accomplish His will and cannot be thwarted, I do not believe that EVERYTHING that happens is His will. He allows many things to happen because of the hardness of people's hearts and to show us just how far we have gone from His will.
     
    #23 Jon-Marc, Jul 19, 2011
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    OR.....it could be because we are tired of your offensive threads and remarks.

    But you must feel really special that you can read our hearts. :rolleyes:
     
    #24 Amy.G, Jul 19, 2011
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    ...or it is because there are a lot more determinists on this board than they care to admit (or are ignorant on the matter of God's decretive and permissive wills).
     
    #25 webdog, Jul 19, 2011
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    Luke ....I think you just "One-Up'd Aaron! :smilewinkgrin: Now its Aarons turn:laugh:
     
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    …or it is obvious to most here that the pole represents a loaded question and the author of it will childishly and rudely ignore any attempts to slit up the question and address the complexities of his hard determinist stance as he continues to use the ambiguity in the matter; thereby, he achieves his “in-your –face”/”talk to the hand” debate methods while offensively and un-biblically attributing evil and sin to a Holy God.

    Luke, have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or No!

    As for the others who would simply vote, well, maybe we are overrun with determinist of Luke’s stripe, maybe they are ignorant of the lack of logic in Luke’s question and/or enjoy his methods of avoiding complexities in the matter, but either way they are going along with Luke’s attempt to win a debate at all costs.



    Apparently it was too much to ask and this tread was created as a trolling device to continue presenting an argument with an unconscionable ambiguous statement within it.
     
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  8. Benjamin

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    I fail to see the humor in the situation?
     
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    That statement is self-contradictory.

    Either something happens according to his purposes or it happens OUTSIDE of his purpose.

    You cannot sensibly say- God always accomplishes his purposes but most things happen AGAINST his purposes until the end.

    If he allows them- he intended for them to exist- therefore he PURPOSED them.
     
    #29 Luke2427, Jul 19, 2011
  10. Luke2427

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    No. I don't think so.

    I think you are out of arguments and so you are deflecting like you do in this post.

    You cannot vote on this thread without revealing something about yourself that you don't want revealed- namely- that you do not believe that God accomplishes all his purposes ALL OF THE TIME- which means that God is not truly Sovereign.
     
    #30 Luke2427, Jul 19, 2011
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    You can not sensibly make such an argument if it is designed to leave ambiguity in the matter of the origiin of evil and and appears to attribute it to God.
     
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    What??????
     
    #32 Luke2427, Jul 19, 2011
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    Thats probably cause you have no sence of humor bro.....lighten up:tongue3:
     
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    at 1st I thought he was discussing the dinner menu :smilewinkgrin:
     
    #34 Earth Wind and Fire, Jul 19, 2011
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    I think you are out of arguments and so deflect by demanding people should vote on your loaded question tread.
     
    #35 Benjamin, Jul 19, 2011
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    What does anything you have said on this thread heretofore have to do with the subject matter of this thread?

    Do you wish to share an opinion or are you trolling?
     
    #36 Luke2427, Jul 19, 2011
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    Lighten up on your perceived comical abilities which are really just insults and sarcasm.
     
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    I thought it was funny.
     
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    Of course you do. You revealing this is no surprise.
     
    #39 Benjamin, Jul 19, 2011
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    I CAN vote on this thread but I CHOOSE not to.

    Or maybe I was predestined not to. What do you think? Pick one. :laugh:
     
    #40 Amy.G, Jul 19, 2011
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