TrevorL
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Greetings again The Biblicist and Moriah,
I have nothing to add to my original explanation on Paul and Jesus discussions with the Sadducees. I appreciate how you view this, but I cannot accept your view. I believe in the resurrection alone. My only correction to my previous post I stated “God does need our minds and thoughts in the form of an immortal soul in order to resurrect us after death, because there is no limit to his understanding and knowledge and there is no limit to his power.” But this should have read: “God does not need our minds and thoughts in the form of an immortal soul in order to resurrect us after death, because there is no limit to his understanding and knowledge and there is no limit to his power.
Concerning 2 Timothy 4:18 this is not concerning Paul going to heaven at death. Consider the context which is talking concerning the future kingdom when Jesus returns to establish his kingdom upon earth:
2 Timothy 4:1,8 (KJV): 1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Kind regards
Trevor
I have nothing to add to my original explanation on Paul and Jesus discussions with the Sadducees. I appreciate how you view this, but I cannot accept your view. I believe in the resurrection alone. My only correction to my previous post I stated “God does need our minds and thoughts in the form of an immortal soul in order to resurrect us after death, because there is no limit to his understanding and knowledge and there is no limit to his power.” But this should have read: “God does not need our minds and thoughts in the form of an immortal soul in order to resurrect us after death, because there is no limit to his understanding and knowledge and there is no limit to his power.
Are you suggesting that every time a man dies Jesus comes back and takes them to be with him? I believe it is talking of the second coming of Jesus to establish his kingdom upon the earth, and then the faithful will fully become part of his spiritual house.Jesus says that he is going to prepare a place for his disciples and that he will come back and take them to be with him.
We see in Acts that Jesus came for Stephen. See Acts 7:55 But Stephen full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. "Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." 59While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 60Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." When he had said this, he fell asleep.
We see that Jesus came back for Stephen. In addition, we see in 2 Timothy 4:18 that Paul is confident that Jesus will come back to get him and bring him safely to Jesus' heavenly kingdom when it is Paul’s time to die. See the following...
2 Timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Concerning 2 Timothy 4:18 this is not concerning Paul going to heaven at death. Consider the context which is talking concerning the future kingdom when Jesus returns to establish his kingdom upon earth:
2 Timothy 4:1,8 (KJV): 1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Kind regards
Trevor