I will pretend for a minute that I an a Calvinist

Are those the same answers to the question as to who accepts the 'truth' of Calvinism?

1. The one who accepts Calvinism is better in some way than the one who does not.

2. God did the choosing.

If #1 then Calvinists have room for boasting while affirming LFW; and if number 2 they are fighting God...and they must speculate as to why God would choose for some of his children to have the truth and not others.

 

Psalms is correct about the humble.

2 Chron 34:27 Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.

Jam 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1 Pet 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

You cannot be saved unless you genuinely humble yourself before God and confess you are a sinner that cannot save himself. You must cast yourself solely on Jesus and depend upon him alone to save you. Our faith does not save, we simply come to Jesus in dependence, but Jesus has promised to save all that come to him and cast no one out (John 6:37).

 

Number 2- unequivocally.

 

God wants all men to be save and come to the knowledge of the truth so your premise has nothing to do with it, it is that all men have the opportunity to come to Jesus. It has nothing to do with who is better than anyone, God show no favoritism to anyone any one who comes to Jesus will be saved it doesn't mater if one is better than another, don't worry about them.

When Jesus calls you, you come and you will be saved.

I got to take care of stuff, talk later.

 

Was this intended to be a joke, or is this a sincere disagreement? I seriously think the answer to this question speaks volumes regarding the nature of choice as it relates to our discussion.

Luke, why do you suppose God has chose to grant the 'truth' of Calvinistic soteriology to some of his elect and not all?

 

Yes because now your viewing everything from the absolute sovereignty of God

 

See that right there is at the heart of what really irks you.....correct. You add your humanistic logic to what is Gods right to do as He pleases & then cry injustice when the Calvinist accepts it.

 

And Tom, there is something to be said for the element of PRIDE. I find that Election is very humbling. God tells us that He has chosen some by grace entirely apart from merit or even the ability to receive grace, precisely so that pride will be eliminated .... "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith---and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God---not by works, so that no one can boast" (Eph. 2:8-9).

 

How do you know that? You say it with such assurity.

 

I think we are on the same page brother:laugh:

 

This is where I was taken...when confronted by a brother about "election, predestination" but prior to this God confronted me with the fact He is Sovereign.

 

So, non-Calvinistic believers, like CS Lewis, could have done the same thing? In that nothing was preventing them from adopting Calvinistic 'truth?' So, you are affirming LFW for believers in that they had the ability to willingly do otherwise?

 

The False antithesis between Monergism and Synergism

http://evangelicalarminians.org/node/184

 

In all humility brothers, there is another element that our sin natures find it hard to swallow.... that is that all human beings deserve hell, not heaven. I will use emphasis again "deserve."

 

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