I will pretend for a minute that I an a Calvinist

God loved the world that He sent His Son that whosoever believes shall not be condemned but have eternal life.

The world, the enemies of God.

I believe in the Elect chosen of God for nothing they have done like the 144,000 in revelations since no one seeks God, God choose people to seek them and that through them God is including adding to them when those who heard the Gospel of their salvation having believerd they are any body. Those like Abraham who believed God and was credited righteousness. They will not be like the few elect, they will be amount saved that can't be counted.

They trusted in God and glorified God for what He did on the cross, His work since they did no work at all. God said trust is not work.

Psalm 73:28
But it is good for me to draw near to God; I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, That I may declare all Your works.

Romans 4:5
However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.


So let us pray for God to send out more workers for the harvast is plenty, but the workers are few.

I praise God that He included a dog like me.

 

Two things:

1. If your doctrine is correct I won't be able to 'talk him out of anything,' so don't worry about it.

2. If your doctrine is incorrect it could be discouraging him by causing him to believe he is not loved and chosen by God, thus driving him away and/or causing him to give up hope.

I'd say its a 'safe bet' to tell him that God loves him, died for him and genuinely wants him to be saved.

 

Which is, wow, the gospel!

 

You dont have to use that name of course.....but the Force is strong with you Skywalfler! :laugh:

 

Amy, have you ever read the complete "Method of Grace" sermon by George Whitefield. I think your eyes would open! BTW, I loved the post sister! :thumbs:

 

Well, yeah, unless its not true of him... Maybe he isn't elect and I tell him that. Then I've lied to him.

 

No I haven't. I'll check on it. Thanks!


Found it online. Whoa..the print is small! It will take awhile for these old eyeballs to read it. :tongue3:

 

I don't know ask that guy, the word of God said that He wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. I told you the answer over and over again because you don't get your human reason answer you are not happy with the answer. So you keep on asking to get answer that is between them and God, but God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. Without asking them the answer would be an assumption.

 

My friend. We don't change minds, we merely preach the gospel. Only the gospel-the power of His word changes hearts and minds, and only the elect hear His voice.

My friend. This is not biblical. The bible says, there is not one that seeks after God. The bible says, we are all born at enmity with God. An unbeliever is already driven away and does not care if they are loved by the one true God. Without God's intervention; no man can come to God, not because they aren't able but because they are not willing.

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My friend. I would say, that is a safe bet as we don't know who the elect are.

People think us Calvinists go around the room trying to figure out who are His elect or that we try and make sure only His elect hear the gospel. That is not true. In fact I never use the doctrine of election in a witness encounter-it never comes up. It is people who do not like this doctrine are the ones that inject this doctrine into our witness encounters; much like what you are doing

Our job is to preach the gospel, not to differentiate who His elect are.

 

Since when do WE tell someone (especially before they are saved) that they are or are not the elect. Is that not God's domain?

Oh, I forgot, in your system of doctrine, man makes those decisions... :BangHead:

 

What you eventually end up with is a grandson with a dog collar....dont end up with a grandson with a dog collar! :laugh:

 

My friend. I find it amazing that some of the most intelligent people of God can create so many fallacies pertaining to the doctrine of election.

In fighting this doctrine, they don't even realize how far they have swung to a man centered gospel.

 

Actually they are fully aware......thats exactly what they want.

 

Good commentary Anne...... If I may suggest, these folks are thinking all along that they were already Christian so why create the doctrines of Grace like Original Sin etc. See to them its unnecessary & more importantly, it really interferes with their human centered concept of religion.

 

I've coined a term, "inoculation" to describe those who have a little bit of "religion" so that they don't catch the real thing.

Seems to fit.

 

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Adam is our lesson of what not to do.

Is trusting in Jesus and His word man centered salvation or is saying it is a man-centered salvation a lie from the devil?

You lean on human reasoning I will trust and hold onto the words of Life

God loved the world that He sent His Son, that those who believe in Jesus will not be condemned but have eternal life.

God isn't weak He just isn't going to save those who don't trust in His Son. God does not need to save any of us, but His word say's He will save those who trust in His Son.