I will pretend for a minute that I an a Calvinist

OK, I will pretend for one minute I am a Calvinist.

I am a Calvinist, I have no free will, I am a CALVINIST, I HAVE no free will, I AM A CALVINIST, I HAVE NO FREE WILL...



Whoa! That was intense! I better go back to being a non-Cal.



MUCH better, I am my old self again!

 

You can see a difference between you and them, but i don't. They can have the same hope as me, because God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

They have nothing and no one to blame but them selves.

I desire for them to know this there is no difference at all.

They can come.

God desires for them to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, so I can only blame them, but I know there is no difference between me and them.

 

You must not have done it right.

 

I first began to become aware of Sovereign Grace from reading 'The Living Bible', Romans 9; the guy's a Methodist preacher who goes out of his way to promote the Arminian view, but for some reason at that time it couldn't hide the truth of it from me.

 

Way to treat a lady.

Amy's theological acumen is spot on enough to explain TULIP, I'm sure she did it perfectly, and her friend responded appropriately.

 

:thumbsup:

 

Nope. I did it right.

 

Jeremiah 23:
21 I did not send these prophets,
yet they have run with their message;
I did not speak to them,
yet they have prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my council,
they would have proclaimed my words to my people
and would have turned them from their evil ways
and from their evil deeds.

Not all prophets are sent by God they come on their on with their own message.

When you figure out God's love for the world with His sovereignty, His Justice, Him being just instead lifted up one attribute higher than all the rest like the greatest of these is love, for God is love.

I am not afraid of arminian that i have to turn 180 degrees from them with the message that drew me to God in the first place.

What God convinced me off.

God loved the world that He sent His Son.

Mark
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 

The oppuritunity is there for them God loved the world that He sent His Son. He wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

I can only tell you what the scripture says my own understanding isn't the answer for i live by every word that comes from God my understanding leads to death. There is no difference as Jesus said.

Luke 13
Repent or Perish
1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’

8 “‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”

 

What you are asking is, "What determines their choice?" Right?

Don't you realize that you are begging the question by assuming that a deterministic response is necessary? This is a fallacy.

We believe in FREE will, not a deterministic will, so if we answered your question by telling you what we think determined the choice we would be conceding that man doesn't have free will. A chooser determines his choice, period. As soon as you can explain how God makes his free choices then we'll explain to you how the free moral creatures He made in His image make their free choices. Ok?

 

They need to know they can, they have the opportunity.

If you believe they can't and i can then you are saying i am better than them.

So I can't tell you that since I do not believe that am better than them.

 

My minister is to tell people they can not that they can't so I can't go against my ministry.

God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth and I don't see why they can't or I am better than them when they can do what I did.

 

I told you that they can and they are doing what they are doing on their own i am not better than them and they can come I do not see no reason why they don't come, because God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

The best way is to ask them and tell them they can, because they can.

I am trying to see what makes us different there isn't any, so they can come but they don't. Ask them that is the only way to find out.

 

If you really wanted to know the answer that scholarly Arminians would give you, then you would have answered my post, but clearly you'd rather stick to your pat answers...

 

God doesn't need to save us, we need God to save us.

God said He is going to save believers and He wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. It doesn't matter who is better than another. Our feelings, our understanding doesn't matter, what matters is the word of God.

I can't trust my feeling, I can trust in the word of God