New Birth before and Unto Faith !

[The Biblicist]

I dont know what you are talking about,!

Neither do you know what you are talking about! Peter plainly tells you that regeneration is in direct connection with the preaching of the gospel (v. 25).

Do you know what it means when the gospel "COMES NOT IN WORD ONLY"????

I don't think you have a clue to what that means. It means that when the gospel is preached by men without the accompanying infused power of God it saves no one. However, when the gospel because the effectual call because God infuses it with His "power" and with His "Spirit" it becomes a CREATIVE COMMAND whereby we are born again by the Word of God, called out of darkness into light, translated out of the kingdom of darkness, delivered from the power and domain of Satan as children of disobedience. That is precisely how we know we are God's elect by the way the gospel came to us in REGENERATING life changing power so that we were no longer by nature children of wrath as others but made children of light.

 

[savedbymercy]

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Peter plainly tells you that regeneration is in direct connection with the preaching of the gospel (v. 25).

A Lie, Peter states that regeneration is by the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy hath regenerated us unto a lively hope, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

You continue to distort scripture to your own destruction at last !

1 Pet 1:25 says nothing about regeneration, you and your eisegesis, reading into scripture your perversions !

 

[savedbymercy]

This Day I have begotton thee !



Acts 13:32-33

32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The same Divine act that begat, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Election of Grace, Resurrection, also begets all His members, His Generation, His Seed, His Church. For Christ was begotten from the Dead by His Resurrection ? Scripture also states that those Christ died for are begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

His Resurrection as the Son of God, was their Resurrection, for He rose as the Representative Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Folks, Jesus Christ resurrection from the dead, validated the Justification of all for whom He died Rom 4:25 and it ensures their New Birth as proof of their Justification to life 1 Pet 1:3

 

[The Biblicist]

This Day I have begotton thee !



Acts 13:32-33

32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The same Divine act that begat, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Election of Grace, Resurrection, also begets all His members, His Generation, His Seed, His Church. For Christ was begotten from the Dead by His Resurrection ? Scripture also states that those Christ died for are begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

His Resurrection as the Son of God, was their Resurrection, for He rose as the Representative Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Folks, Jesus Christ resurrection from the dead, validated the Justification of all for whom He died Rom 4:25 and it ensures their New Birth as proof of their Justification to life 1 Pet 1:3

Simple English is your stumbling stone! Anyone with two grains of common sense knows that the resurrection of Jesus Christ never quickened anyone at any time. No elect were quickened WHEN Jesus rose from the dead just as no elect were justified when Jesus rose from the dead, but the death and resurrection of Jesus is the BASIS and FOUNDATION and ESSENCE of the gospel we preach which is INSTRUMENTAL through the power of the Holy Spirit to quicken the elect and then justify them BY FAITH in that gospel.

To suggest that anyone was quickened or justified WHEN Christ rose again is as silly as suggesting we were all quickened and justified before the world began.

You don't have enough common sense to discern scriptures and see that the only thing that occurred before the world began that was actually accomplished is the everlasting COVENANT COMMITTMENTS or God's eternal purpose WHICH WAS NOT FULFILLED THEN "What I have purposed, I WILL DO it" - Isa. 46:11

You don't have enough common sense to discern scriptures and see that the only thing that occurred at the cross and resurrection was the REDEMPTIVE PROVISION for the elect which is preached as "THE GOSPEL" of our salvation and not applied until we are ACTUALLY ENEMIES and UNGODLY which means IN OUR OWN LIFE TIME!

Your messed up mind can't see a barn if if were placed squarely in front of your nose. All you can do is act like a parrot and repeat a scripture thinking that repeating it will some how make your rediculous interpertation of it acceptable!

 

[savedbymercy]

the bib

Simple English is your stumbling stone!

I give you truth, you respond with insults !

 

[The Biblicist]

the bib


I give you truth, you respond with insults !

You hypocrit so do you and I could post dozens of your insults!

 

[savedbymercy]

You hypocrit so do you and I could post dozens of your insults!

This Day I have begotton thee !



Acts 13:32-33

32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The same Divine act that begat, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Election of Grace, Resurrection, also begets all His members, His Generation, His Seed, His Church. For Christ was begotten from the Dead by His Resurrection ? Scripture also states that those Christ died for are begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

His Resurrection as the Son of God, was their Resurrection, for He rose as the Representative Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Folks, Jesus Christ resurrection from the dead, validated the Justification of all for whom He died Rom 4:25 and it ensures their New Birth as proof of their Justification to life 1 Pet 1:3

 

[The Biblicist]

This Day I have begotton thee !



Acts 13:32-33

32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The same Divine act that begat, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Election of Grace, Resurrection, also begets all His members, His Generation, His Seed, His Church. For Christ was begotten from the Dead by His Resurrection ? Scripture also states that those Christ died for are begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

His Resurrection as the Son of God, was their Resurrection, for He rose as the Representative Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Folks, Jesus Christ resurrection from the dead, validated the Justification of all for whom He died Rom 4:25 and it ensures their New Birth as proof of their Justification to life 1 Pet 1:3

If you are saying that at the exact point in time when Jesus was quickened so were all the elect actually and literally quickened also, you are wrong!

The elect were all individually quickened in time and space at the exact point in time when they ceased being "enemies" and became "children" by new birth and ceased being the "ungodly" but became "justified" before God by faith.

 

[savedbymercy]

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If you are saying that at the exact point in time when Jesus was quickened so were all the elect actually and literally quickened also, you are wrong!

The whole family of the elect were quickened together with Christ. That quickening is manifested in their New Birth.

The same principle, when Adam transgressed, the whole family of the Elect died together with him ! They ACTUALLY DIED with him Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

All sinned in their Head and Represenative, ACTUALLY !

 

[Yeshua1]

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The whole family of the elect were quickened together with Christ. That quickening is manifested in their New Birth.

The same principle, when Adam transgressed, the whole family of the Elect died together with him ! They ACTUALLY DIED with him Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

All sinned in their Head and Represenative, ACTUALLY !

Are you taking karl barth theology of all elected and saved in Chrit by God to its logical conclusion?
As THAT theology of yours NOT in the Bible!

 

[savedbymercy]

Are you taking karl barth theology of all elected and saved in Chrit by God to its logical conclusion?
As THAT theology of yours NOT in the Bible!

Work Salvationist !

 

[Yeshua1]

Work Salvationist !

What did you do to get saved by God?

Wereyou ever a sinner, not reconciled to God at all?

 

[savedbymercy]

New Birth before believing the Gospel is True !



That men are regenerated before God sends them the Gospel as the word of their Salvation, in order for them to believe and be saved, is taught in the scripture in many places. It is certainly implied here Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed[Gospel] into the good ground[New Birth] is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

It is good ground because it has been given a spiritual capacity by New Birth to understand the things of God, which the Gospel is ! The good ground is a good heart as per Lk 8:15

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Now, if we are true to scripture teaching, by nature, no one has a good and honest heart, but one that is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked Jer 17:9

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

So, its proved from this that New Birth precedes the Gospel of Salvation !

But it is also Illustrated by Cornelius, who was regenerated or born again before God sent him the Gospel to believe through peter. Now how do we know that Cornelius was regenerated or born again ? Because scripture says about him as it said about Job, that he feared God ! Job 1:1

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Acts 10:1-2,22,35

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Now when a person is said to fear God, that is a testimony of the Grace of God in them, that God hath wrought in them Jn 3:21

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This is True because we men by nature have no fear of God before our eyes as per Rom 3:10-18

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Now who dare dispute what has been shown thus far from The Word of Truth ?

 

[savedbymercy]

The Power of His Resurrection !



Phil 3:10

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Paul writes that I may know Him and the power of His Resurrection, not that Paul did not already know Jesus Christ, His Person, or that he had not already experienced the Power of His resurrection, for it is through that Power that those for whom Christ died do believe as stated in Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Also he knew as well that it was through Christ's Resurrection Power that he had been begotten again as Peter knew 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Our New Birth is by the Power of the Resurrection ! So what Paul's desire was here in Phil 3:10, was to know more of the Power of the Resurrection !

Both The ability to believe on Christ and to suffer for His cause are given to all for whom He died by His Resurrection Power Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[TCGreek]

My take: repentance and faith precede the new birth.

 

[savedbymercy]

My take: repentance and faith precede the new birth.

Ok ! But that is not scriptural ! Repentnace and Faith are fruits of the Spirit and New Birth !

 

[Yeshua1]

Ok ! But that is not scriptural ! Repentnace and Faith are fruits of the Spirit and New Birth !

the Lord openned their hearts and minds, they received the good news and pl;aced faith in jesus and were then saved!

The fruit of the Holy spirit ONLY given and produced in chrsitians, how can he do this IF they have not yet even placed faith in jesus and get saved, that enables Him to come and dwell in us and start the fruit producing!

 

[TCGreek]

Ok ! But that is not scriptural ! Repentnace and Faith are fruits of the Spirit and New Birth !

Since you have Scripture on your side, direct me to those texts, please. Thank you.

 

[savedbymercy]

Since you have Scripture on your side, direct me to those texts, please. Thank you.

Just read my threads on the subject !

 

[savedbymercy]

What is the Application of Redemption ?



The Application of Redemption is the New Birth, a New Life. When Jesus says that if I be lifted up, shall draw all men unto me, He is speaking of the Application of His Atoning Death, which causes all for whom He died to be begotten again by His Glorious Resurrection 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

It,s also what Paul terms the Power of His Resurrection Phil 3:10

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Drawing is just another way of saying New Birth or Regeneration, for drawing is one of the properties of the New Birth !

The word draw is the greek word helkō and means:


to draw, drag off

2) metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

Jesus is using it here in the metaphorical sense, In that by New Birth, putting His Spirit in us, He causes us to be lead by Him. Its like here Jn 10:3

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

The english word for draw also means:


to bring toward oneself or itself, as by inherent force or influence; attract:

Inward and inherent are the same and denote:

existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute:

In other words, the New Birth, the indwelling of the Spirit, the unction we now have, shall abide with us forever ! John says Jn 14:17

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Yes, the Spirit of God is the Application of Christ's Redemption Work, and that is why immediately after His Victorious Death and Resurrection and Ascension He did receive from the Father this Acts 2:33

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Yes, The Holy Ghost completes and makes Effectual the Saving Death of Christ by giving them New Birth as Per Titus 3:5-6

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

The shed on us abundantly is the application of Redemption !