Brian30755
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I'm sure this has been discussed before on here, so can anyone point me to previous threads / discussions on the subject of drinking alcohol, if it is okay or not okay for the Christian? Thanks.
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Just go up to the top, click on "search" and put in "wine" or "alcohol".
Yes. It should produce 1.9825 million hits. :laugh:
Brian30755
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LOL Amy....not quite, but almost
Of course, it is okay to drink alcohol. Jesus drank wine. Jesus turned water into wine for other people to drink. It is not okay to get drunk. The Bible also says keep drinking between God and you. I see why a person should not let anyone know that they are having a drink, because some unbelievers have the idea that Christians are not supposed to drink at all, and they will try to make you feel like you are a hypocrite, and they will act as if you are a wino. Lol See what they said about Jesus just because he drank some wine, they called him a drunkard.
Matthew 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."
Matthew 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."
Brian30755
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And this is my real question, I guess. How do you define "drunk"?
I'm sure there are some who can drink one glass of wine, or one beer, and not get a "buzz". But I'll just be upfront with you: Sure, I like the taste of beer and of several kinds of mixed drinks, but I drink them to get the buzz. And I think most folks drink for the same reason, if they would be honest about it. If it wasn't for the effect of the alcohol, I would stick with sweet tea or Coca-Cola.
I'm not sure exactly what my question is, or what my point is. I guess I'm just saying that I find it hard to believe that many people drink and don't get drunk (that's IF you consider "buzzing" being drunk). And I think that more people drink for the effect of the alcohol, rather than for the taste, even if they don't want to admit it. I'm sure there are exceptions.
Comments appreciated.
While I don't drink right now due to ministry, I definitely hate the buzz if I drank a little more than I should have and so I always made sure I drank only to before that. That usually meant one drink - a glass of wine with dinner or a cocktail before dinner. I love the taste of certain drinks and desire to drink them just like I desire to have a Coke - I drink it because it tastes good. Well....actually DRANK.
convicted1
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Well Brother, it's good to see that at least you started a thread that both sides of this debate can be civil with each other.
Civil just like in the C/A debates that is....:laugh:
LillyoftheValley
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I'm with Annsni on this one. I personally love the taste of a good Coconut Rum and Coke, but despise the buzzed feeling. But I know what you mean. I know several people who enjoy drinking for the feeling of being buzzed - and I just don't get it.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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I for one would not state that it is necessarily sin for anyone to drink alcohol. It would depend upon the light one has been given. What I stated might be sin for me may not be sin for you. Just the same there is an element in this discussion that seems to be getting overlooked, and that is of influence upon others.
I have a friend I have known for years that has been a temperate drinker from all outward signs. I have never seen this man drunk, and have never heard any indication that he abused his wife or family due to his drinking. He has never to my knowledge ever received any citation for the use of alcohol. One might at first glance consider this man to be the ‘model drinker.’
He had a son that had just turned eighteen. He loved this boy with al his heart and was careful to spend time with him on every possible occasion to hunt, fish, or attend sporting events. When fishing, etc, he allowed his son to drink an occasional beer with him, and always kept beer in his refrigerator.
In his sons last year in HS, a friend of his sons was tragically killed in a car accident. His son spoke to his dad and got the use of their new SUV to attend the funeral of their friend. The young boy left and on the way, picked up another young friend to ride to the funeral together. His father had already gone to work that day, and un known to his father, he took some beer out of the refrigerator to drink on the way to the funeral with his friend, to help drown the sorrow of their mutual loss. Traveling down the Interstate on the way to the funeral they started to miss their exit, when the driver swerved to make sure he would not miss it, and in the process rolled his Dad’s new SUV and both young men lost their lives instantly.
Sure this could have happened without alcohol being involved. Just the same, both boys had a low alcohol count in their blood stream.
Let me ask the reader, what influence did his fathers ‘model drinking’ (if there is such a thing) have on this son and the other young man killed in this accident?
I believe that if anyone honestly considers the issue of alcohol from any perspective other than a selfish one, they will never allow such an easily abused substance such as alcohol touch their lips, and never allow such a substance to be found unattended in their homes.
That selfish sip of drinking even in moderation may be the impetus of a lifetime of sorrow and grief.
If my son goes out and consumes alcohol, and is killed in a tragic accident, I can lay my head on my pillow at night and know that I have done my best to train him in the way he should go, and I believe I could rest in the grace of God to comfort me in my grief. I wonder if my friend is resting in peace as he lays his head on his pillow? May God comfort his grieving heart and give those reading this post to have ears to hear. It may save some from years of grief, heartache, and regret.
I have a friend I have known for years that has been a temperate drinker from all outward signs. I have never seen this man drunk, and have never heard any indication that he abused his wife or family due to his drinking. He has never to my knowledge ever received any citation for the use of alcohol. One might at first glance consider this man to be the ‘model drinker.’
He had a son that had just turned eighteen. He loved this boy with al his heart and was careful to spend time with him on every possible occasion to hunt, fish, or attend sporting events. When fishing, etc, he allowed his son to drink an occasional beer with him, and always kept beer in his refrigerator.
In his sons last year in HS, a friend of his sons was tragically killed in a car accident. His son spoke to his dad and got the use of their new SUV to attend the funeral of their friend. The young boy left and on the way, picked up another young friend to ride to the funeral together. His father had already gone to work that day, and un known to his father, he took some beer out of the refrigerator to drink on the way to the funeral with his friend, to help drown the sorrow of their mutual loss. Traveling down the Interstate on the way to the funeral they started to miss their exit, when the driver swerved to make sure he would not miss it, and in the process rolled his Dad’s new SUV and both young men lost their lives instantly.
Sure this could have happened without alcohol being involved. Just the same, both boys had a low alcohol count in their blood stream.
Let me ask the reader, what influence did his fathers ‘model drinking’ (if there is such a thing) have on this son and the other young man killed in this accident?
I believe that if anyone honestly considers the issue of alcohol from any perspective other than a selfish one, they will never allow such an easily abused substance such as alcohol touch their lips, and never allow such a substance to be found unattended in their homes.
That selfish sip of drinking even in moderation may be the impetus of a lifetime of sorrow and grief.
If my son goes out and consumes alcohol, and is killed in a tragic accident, I can lay my head on my pillow at night and know that I have done my best to train him in the way he should go, and I believe I could rest in the grace of God to comfort me in my grief. I wonder if my friend is resting in peace as he lays his head on his pillow? May God comfort his grieving heart and give those reading this post to have ears to hear. It may save some from years of grief, heartache, and regret.
I would define drunk as starting to lose control of one self, even slightly. Maybe someone cannot stop talking too much, or cannot control how loud they are speaking. Speech might change to a slur. Maybe they get too relaxed and say things would not normally say, or do things they would not normally do. Their balance starts to go off.
A buzz might be just another name for drunk. I would say a person might drink just to loosen up a bit and feel relaxed, maybe a little bit light headed, but nothing serious.
I would think alcohol is a problem when you think you have to have it, even a little. It should never control the person. You probably know what the Bible says about being a drunkard.
We are to be under control of the Holy Spirit, see Romans 8:9. We are not to be under control of alcohol.
I hope this helps! Be careful.
But I know a man who does not drink who's 21 year old son was almost killed in a drunk driving incident. The father was clear that he felt that drinking was not a good choice and that it is best for believers to abstain. They don't even cook with alcohol.
I also know of other families who actually think drinking is a sin - yet their teen children are alcoholics. This is at least 3 families that I am very close to.
So I don't think that the parent having a moderate drink or two should feel guilty over the alcohol related death of his child. It was not his fault.
Steadfast Fred
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If alcohol was a factor in those two young men's deaths, then the deaths were indeed the fault of that dad who allowed his son to drink.
Had he not drank, had his son not seen him drinking, had he not gave alcohol to his son in the first place, had he taught his son that alcohol is taboo, there is a possibility that the son and his high school friend would still be alive.
Had he not drank, had his son not seen him drinking, had he not gave alcohol to his son in the first place, had he taught his son that alcohol is taboo, there is a possibility that the son and his high school friend would still be alive.
Where did you see that the father "allowed" the son to drink or "gave alcohol" to him?
Steadfast Fred
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He had a son that had just turned eighteen. He loved this boy with al his heart and was careful to spend time with him on every possible occasion to hunt, fish, or attend sporting events. When fishing, etc, he allowed his son to drink an occasional beer with him, and always kept beer in his refrigerator.
Ahh - Didn't see that.
You are exactly right. People drink alcoholic beverages for the drunk. We have hundreds of non-alcoholic wines and beers nowadays which taste fantastic. Alcohol taste aweful, just try it striaght and see for yourself. Take the alcohol out and the drink will always taste better.
Now please, dont anyone give me the old worn out arguments trying to defend your drunk. With todays products, those old arguments are destroyed.
BTW, science has proven that .08 alcohol blood level is drunk. So if you are drinking these alcoholic beverages you better be splitting a 12oz can with someone else, lol.
Sad story. I have a brother who is a Christain and he has two young boys ages 9 and 6. He drinks beer and gives the same old justifications as others, that he doesn't get drunk, just drinks to be social and relax. I ask him, why don't you let your kids drink some beer with you if you don't see anything wrong with it? A couple sips isn't going to get them drunk. Obviously, he has no good answer.
That is a false statement, and slanderous too.
Apostle Paul said to drink wine for their stomachs, does that sound like he told them to get drunk?
Jesus drank wine, and he did not get drunk. To say or imply that drinking is wrong and a sin, that is to say Jesus did wrong and sinned. So consider more carefully, what you say.
Most civilized countries don't have a problem with drunk drivers. In the US drunk driving is our national sport.
I'm glad The Wife and I went to college when the drinking age was 18. We spent many a cold night in a warm tav nursing a $1 pitcher of beer. Even got some homework done. Ah, the good old days when libraries had ash trays.
What legal activity occupies young people these days? Say from 8 PM to bar closing?
I'm glad The Wife and I went to college when the drinking age was 18. We spent many a cold night in a warm tav nursing a $1 pitcher of beer. Even got some homework done. Ah, the good old days when libraries had ash trays.
What legal activity occupies young people these days? Say from 8 PM to bar closing?
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