Featured 1 Cor. 12-14

The Bible never says we will know all things. It says we will know as we are known. Therefore, we will not all things about ourselves, not all things.

If we knew all things, we would be omniscient like God. This is similar to the charismatic "manifest sons of God" teaching there are in these last days special prophets and apostles that will have powers similar to Christ, and be "sons of God" in a similar way to Him. Is this what you believe?

"These Manifest Sons of God, ones who have come into the full stature of Jesus Christ, would receive the Spirit without measure. They would be as Jesus was when he was on earth and would receive a number of divine gifts, including the ability to change their physical location, to speak any language through the Holy Spirit, and would be able to perform divine healings and other miracles. They would complete the work of God, restoring man's rightful position as was originally mandated in Genesis. By coming into the full stature of Christ, they would usher in his millenial reign. Extreme versions of this interpretation referred to Jesus as a "pattern" Son and applied "ye are gods" (Psalms 82:6) to this coming company of believers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Sons_of_God)

 

You said,

So you believe we will be omniscient, right?

 

Love is eternal for God is love.
Knowledge is eternal for God is omniscient.
Both the love of God and the omniscience of God are already eternally with God for the are a part of the very essence of God.

Love (as well as the knowledge of God) existed before there were any barriers to cross.

Most people only speak in one language now, and there is no one alive today that speaks in the Biblical gift of tongues. Neither can you point to one that does, and demonstrate it according to Biblical evidences.
We don't need to speak supernaturally in any of the languages of this earth today.

Diversities of tongues or the gift of it, has already ceased. If you want to learn a different language then you study it and learn it.

You can do that now if you really want. It simply takes some study on your part. We also have some great technology to help us.

Yep, it does say that. Thus according to your definition we will all be mindless ignorant zombies wandering about space bowing down to a God without knowledge, for all knowledge has vanished. The universe will have sucked it out in an inverted big bang.

 

No, I believe precisely as the Bible says. "Know" is in the future tense. And when we know, it will not be omniscience, but we will know as we are known, indicatin that the content of the knowledge in question will be precisely what we are known as--we will know ourselves and what Christ has done for us perfectly.

Thank you for answering my question. You seemed to indicate another view in your post. I've asked you a couple of times now about manifest sons of God doctrine, and you've not answered. I'm assuming ignorance.

 

Unbelievable! Incomprehensible!
"What will cease is knowledge," is what you say.
If knowledge ceases we all become inanimate objects, lifeless beings, or what? The fact that we have life gives us the ability to have knowledge.
How can knowledge ever cease? If knowledge ceases so does life.

 

I realize that. What you are posting should make you realize that the knowledge in 1Cor.13:8 is a specific kind of knowledge, not common knowledge. It is "revelatory knowledge." And, along with tongues and prophecy it ceased at then end of the first century. That is the only way the verse makes sense. Knowledge will never cease. We serve a God who is all-knowing. It is one of the characteristics that makes him God. We will learn from him. It is impossible for knowledge to cease.

But the knowledge mentioned in 1Cor.13:8, revelatory knowledge has ceased already. It was only necessary as long as the canon of Scripture was not complete and then it was not needed any longer. So the gift ceased. It was a gift, a temporary gift. That which is in part shall be done away with, and it was. It was done away with when the completed word of God came. We have that which is complete--the Bible right now. We don't need those revelatory gifts, including the gift of revelatory knowledge, any more. It was temporary. The verse in no way refers to common knowledge, and cannot refer to common knowledge.

The gift of revelatory knowledge, words of knowledge, etc. have ceased.
We depend on the Word of God to direct us. It is all we need. The Lord speaks to us through his word.

Psalms 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

 

In Heaven, as the context makes clear.

If you are going to be a Charismatic, you really need to be informed about the movement, which has so many, many strange doctrines and practices wich which you are going to be confronted.

 

You just don't get it, do you? You don't learn. I'll say it again, but I seriously doubt if you will internalize it this time. The Charismatic Movement is not a denomination. It is a movement. It has no doctrinal statement, no denominational name, no denominational leader (elected or appointed), etc. etc.

No, I disagree completely. But I have no assurance will listen to me no matter what I say. You are completely locked in to your own mistaken interpretations, and pay no attention to the actual content of what I say or what anyone else says on the BB who doesn't agree with you.

 

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. THEY ARE IN EVERY DENOMINATION--IT'S A MOVEMENT.

I memorized the chapter 40 years ago, love it and meditate on it. I certainly don't need a Charismatic to teach me 1 Cor. 13. And I resent your attitude that you know the Bible better than anyone else. 1 Cor. 13:4 says, "Charity vaunteth not itself," yet yere you are vaunting that you are perfect in your interpretation.

 

Sorry, my words are not what vaunting one's self means. Please study 1 Cor. 13 more deeply.

The Charismatic movement is so full of errors that I'd be foolish to learn from a Charismatic. I've been debating starting a thread listing those errors. You've now convinced me to do so.